I think all of us could get behind that model, given the current state of things. It’s quite a long game though, and multiple loans can’t work alongside that approach effectively. Unfortunately I don’t really think there is any real plan at all, and the final scenario you mention is certainly possible. We seem to have no discernible structure with Manager, recruitment team, owners, CEO, Suhail, and god knows who else doing their own thing.

Waggott. He has no redeeming qualities or ability.

The fact they are still here doesn’t support this. Or if it is the case then Venky’s are being as negligent and incompetent as ever.

It also means Rankin-Costello will be used solely as a full back. Probably at the expense of Nyambe.

The lack of a centre forward signing, coupled with all these loans has drained my early season enthusiasm already. Edun aside, I wish we hadn’t bothered with any of the signings we have.

You’d think they’d relieve themselves of their duties of this is the case.

Burke would turn a very disappointing window into an horrendous one. Imagine if it’s a loan with an obligation to buy…

Well, if he speaks to Mowbray we know where he’ll end up!

Doesn’t matter if we don’t sign anyone, we can do it all over again tomorrow! Still plenty of free agents to go at so we can debate the merits of Hal Robson-Kanu.

Lots of Mowbray talk, but I genuinely believe the following… 90% of this forum would do a better job than Waggott. Every single member would be a better owner than Venky’s if they had the same resources. Anyway, back to transfers.

Pleased with Edun. Going with just one left back would’ve been really risky. Right age, small fee. I’d be happy enough taking a similar approach with a forward and expecting Brereton and Gallagher to step up this season. I’d certainly prefer to spend less on a fee and wages and filter the money towards Nyambe and Rothwell.

It wouldn’t be surprising if there is no transfer business done by Rovers today. It also wouldn’t be surprising if we brought in three on loan all in the same position, sold two for peanuts, gave Chapman away, and paid £5 million for a teenager nobody’s ever heard of at 10:59 pm.

Not keen on Lowe. 14 goals in a season is an average return. I’d expect Gallagher or Brereton to equal that if they played every game centrally. I reckon he might appeal to Mowbray as he can play him wide or centrally. Probably be fairly expensive and want a high wage, little chance of selling on at a profit.

What a terrible take Chaddy. Nyambe is currently on 4 grand a week. If you were him, would you sign a new contract on those terms? Let’s say he wants 9 grand a week, still cheap in the scheme of things, that would be an increase of just over a quarter of a million quid a year. Considering how much money we lose and waste, it’s a drop in the ocean. I’d wager it’s also significantly less than we’d be paying in wages and loan fees for players we are borrowing from Brighton and Leeds. How much do you think your suggested replacement would cost? Selling Nyambe on the cheap now would be unforgivably stupid. If it was to Burnley it would be horrible. Replace the word Nyambe with Rothwell, add 20% to each number and the point is the same.

They also regularly play players they have spent 8 figure transfer fees on.

Let’s not keep dumbing down how good our own kids are

Flying in?!?

Anyone else a little suspicious about Nyambe’s “injury”? Started off as him being rested/protected, it’s developed into a hamstring injury that’s caused him to miss three games. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him touted round and end up getting sold for whatever money we can get for him at quarter to 11 on Tuesday. Of course the scenario will be reimagined as him being “not good enough” or “a liability” who “was desperate to leave” and “refused to sign a contract”. I have heard the contract he has been offered described as “laughable” by one source. And another describing it as an extension on the same terms, no pay rise. I believe he is currently on around 4K per week - that’s less than Waggott.

Chapman turns 24 in November, and Nyambe in December. I think that once they hit 24 we are entitled to no compensation.

I think if it was just this window in isolation there’d be no question. However, when we were crying out for a centre half and he made those “defenders are coming” comments, I truly believe his plans to spend money on one were kiboshed. Mowbray was clearly wanting to invest in that area, there was nobody from the academy knocking on the door at that point and we ended up playing Rodwell there a number of times. The only players we have spent a 7 figure fee on in years are attackers, with Brereton and Gallagher being massive anomalies in our overall transfer business. I expect there is some model they work to in terms of “expected sale value”, I theorised about a similarly flawed model regarding contract parameters. I certainly think there are limitations put in place on what Waggott and Mowbray are allowed to do, and the “free reign” idea is miles off.

Mowbray’s comments today should be a bigger discussion point. Venky’s will sanction money only for a striker? I have speculated that provisos like this have been happening for a while and probably explain why defenders never came and the weird Brereton transfer. It shoots holes in the theory that Waggott and Mowbray are given a budget to spend as they see fit. The structure at the club is completely unclear, and evidently dysfunctional. And despite being here for a decade, none of the Rao family could tell you the difference between a centre forward and a washing machine. Who is advising them these days?

You can put a spin on loaning players from Liverpool, City and the like. Loaning them from Brighton is a sad indictment of our current state.

With the set up at the club as convoluted as it is, with blurred lines of roles and responsibility, it’s hardly surprising our business is largely shambolic. It’s become a regular occurrence for loans to be talked about the entire summer, yet it seems to take an age to get them over the line. We can’t even sell players quickly, but come deadline day there will be a flurry of activity. Mowbray mentioned “wage structure” again last week. People seem to automatically assume this is a wage cap, and that Nyambe and Rothwell must be demanding 30k a season. I think in reality, and it’s something that Rich Sharpe has hinted at, is that players are bracketed within a structure, and academy graduates like Nyambe and Raya before him are slower to earn contracts at the level that players who cost a fee might get, regardless of their status in the squad. I think the Brereton negotiations will be easier, as he is our most expensive signing and the structure will give them room to manoeuvre. Of course this is stupid. Players contracts should largely be based on merit, but with owners who are utterly clueless about football, and who will stubbornly stick to something like this, its no surprise. Obviously there is an issue regarding reduced revenue, but it’s one Waggott is happy to blame solely on our supporters. Frustratingly a large chunk of the fanbase like to buy into this and join him in the blame game, helping him deflect from the fact that in our last published accounts our commercial revenue for the year was £10 MILLION less than that of Bristol City in the same period. If the useless sod could get something other than the Venky’s logo all over those expensive electronic advertising hoardings, we would be in a whole lot better financial position.

Can I do Barnsley away please @Mike E

My brother got a new card after not renewing last year. I needed a new one. I’m not 100% sure, but I think if yours worked for the Swansea game they’ll just leave it active