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[roversfan99]

And subsequently they wouldnt have been the players they are today had they stayed. People often mention it as if they let current day Rogers and Palmer leave.

Not quite the same but there are similarities with Raya here. He was let go on the cheap but had be stayed, he certainly wouldnt have developed into who he is today, after 7 or 8 years in the Premier League, training with top class players and coaches etc.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Bottom 3 looks likely to stay as is for the duration. Forest will grind enough results out, Leeds have an in-form goalscorer, Brentford and Fulham have pulled away.

West Ham would need to do some exceptional business in January to have a sniff of survival IMO.

Have to agree there. Wolves are down, Edwards job is all about next season and building a squad for promotion push next season

Keith Andrews is doing a very good job at Brentford 

Burnley don't have the quality to stay up

On West Ham, They need a goalscorer up front but other quality players signings needed but they are in this position cos of poor recruitment and poor decisions from their owners. Their squad just look poor and don't look like a team

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

And subsequently they wouldnt have been the players they are today had they stayed. People often mention it as if they let current day Rogers and Palmer leave.

Not quite the same but there are similarities with Raya here. He was let go on the cheap but had be stayed, he certainly wouldnt have developed into who he is today, after 7 or 8 years in the Premier League, training with top class players and coaches etc.

so Pep wouldn't have develop them into the players they are today? 

[roversfan99]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Have to agree there. Wolves are down, Edwards job is all about next season and building a squad for promotion push next season

Keith Andrews is doing a very good job at Brentford 

Burnley don't have the quality to stay up

On West Ham, They need a goalscorer up front but other quality players signings needed but they are in this position cos of poor recruitment and poor decisions from their owners. Their squad just look poor and don't look like a team

so Pep wouldn't have develop them into the players they are today? 

They wouldnt have played, especially Rogers. The Rogers that left and went to Boro (?) would not have had a sniff around Foden, KDB etc.

So he wouldnt have come on as he has done going elsewhere. Even Palmer would have been slower getting into a team with such quality so wouldnt have come on as much.

[riverholmes]

37 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

And subsequently they wouldnt have been the players they are today had they stayed. People often mention it as if they let current day Rogers and Palmer leave.

Not quite the same but there are similarities with Raya here. He was let go on the cheap but had be stayed, he certainly wouldnt have developed into who he is today, after 7 or 8 years in the Premier League, training with top class players and coaches etc.

I think that's the easy answer when a manager fails to make the most of a talent, say De Bruyne and Mo Salah at Chelsea. Their departures should be huge negative marks in Mourinho's record. 

To me, Guardiola has been carried away with putting together a cosmopolitan squad and overlooked certain youth players. There might be an element of snobbery in there too, when it comes to a Cole Palmer, when we know how well Guardiola gets on with the multilingual 'thinkers,' eg. Gundogan.

[roversfan99]

Watched Newcastle last night against a poor United side, and theyve been on a few times this season. If Gordon is England's first choice left winger then its a problem. Quick but so poor in the final third, has been all season.

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, riverholmes said:

I think that's the easy answer when a manager fails to make the most of a talent, say De Bruyne and Mo Salah at Chelsea. Their departures should be huge negative marks in Mourinho's record. 

To me, Guardiola has been carried away with putting together a cosmopolitan squad and overlooked certain youth players. There might be an element of snobbery in there too, when it comes to a Cole Palmer, when we know how well Guardiola gets on with the multilingual 'thinkers,' eg. Gundogan.

But he has been churning out trophy after trophy in that time. Palmer himself forced the exit. Players that with regular game time elsewhere turn into stars are just collateral damage.

Rogers has taken years of regular football to get to where he is now. The player that joined Boro was miles away.

[chaddyrovers]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

They wouldnt have played, especially Rogers. The Rogers that left and went to Boro (?) would not have had a sniff around Foden, KDB etc.

So he wouldnt have come on as he has done going elsewhere. Even Palmer would have been slower getting into a team with such quality so wouldnt have come on as much.

Rogers only spent 6 months at Boro before Villa signed him. It was a short spell there. 

Palmer, maybe the case but I don't know why he couldn't play right side of the attack for City, perfect for that role. Granted he has improve so much at Chelsea and is their main key player with Enzo so I can understand why he pushed for the move

Sometimes you have to play them like he has done with O'Reilly who probably is England's first choice left back and who would have said that at the start of the season.  He has develop him and he looks really good now. 

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rogers only spent 6 months at Boro before Villa signed him. It was a short spell there. 

Palmer, maybe the case but I don't know why he couldn't play right side of the attack for City, perfect for that role. Granted he has improve so much at Chelsea and is their main key player with Enzo so I can understand why he pushed for the move

Sometimes you have to play them like he has done with O'Reilly who probably is England's first choice left back and who would have said that at the start of the season.  He has develop him and he looks really good now. 

Why do you HAVE to play them?

Palmer is a central player predominantly and as good as he was, he would have struggled to break through regularly and immediately past who was in front.

Rogers was nowhere near the standard he is now when he left. They had world class players ahead of both. With O'Reilly, they had issues with left backs so that position was up for grabs. They didnt have a player of a De Bruyne/Foden/Bernardo Silva standard blocking that position.

Both needed to move on to get regular game time to become the players they are today.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Why do you HAVE to play them?

Palmer is a central player predominantly and as good as he was, he would have struggled to break through regularly and immediately past who was in front.

Rogers was nowhere near the standard he is now when he left. They had world class players ahead of both. With O'Reilly, they had issues with left backs so that position was up for grabs. They didnt have a player of a De Bruyne/Foden/Bernardo Silva standard blocking that position.

Both needed to move on to get regular game time to become the players they are today.

Cos they are quality players, that could have been at City under Pep if he had brough them through and develop them by playing them and coaching them

Palmer and Rogers can play wide and as number 10. Rogers is playing on the left wing currently at Villa and Palmer has played both as number 10 and right winger this week. 

[RevidgeBlue]

Anyone think Villa can do it?

[roversfan99]

40 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Cos they are quality players, that could have been at City under Pep if he had brough them through and develop them by playing them and coaching them

Palmer and Rogers can play wide and as number 10. Rogers is playing on the left wing currently at Villa and Palmer has played both as number 10 and right winger this week. 

But again, especially Rogers, they wouldnt have got the same game time. City had Foden, De Bruyne, Bernardo Silva etc. Its impossible to suggest that they could have merited that game time and therefore they wouldnt be the same player. It made sense for them to move on.

Its not a difficult concept.