January Transfer Needs

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Define "enough."

Again, comes down to you just listing players. Regardless of quality, or if its their natural position, or if theyve ever played before, or if they are needed elsewhere.

Firstly, I getting very bored of this sort of response to me. Not everyone shares your opinion. 

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Pickering isnt a natural wing back. Powell has never played senior football. So that just leaves Hedges who doesnt do enough going forward.

Pickering has played there enough under Mowbray and now Ismael. I think he is more than good enough to play that role whilst Hedges can start games at home whilst Pickering starts away. Yes I know thanks that Powell hasn't played senior football but neither had Litherland and Pratt until this season, both have been be good for us. Powell is very attacking and I see no reason why we should actually develop our own. You aren't a fan of given young players a chance, that's your position

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Miller is poor on the ball and at crossing, more suited to playing where he is playing. Litherland isnt a natural wing back. Alebiosu is away.

so what if Litherland isn't a natural wing back, he has more than shown he can play that role and why not develop his game, he likes getting forward even when he plays at centre back for the under 21's, So lets develop that talent. Miller plays the right wing back role for his national team. We have the option of playing Miller in either right sided role and I like that type of flexible, whilst you probably don't. I always like 3 or 4 players within a squad who can adapt and play in more than 1 position. 

[KentExile]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

so what if Litherland isn't a natural wing back, he has more than shown he can play that role and why not develop his game, he likes getting forward even when he plays at centre back for the under 21's, So lets develop that talent. Miller plays the right wing back role for his national team. We have the option of playing Miller in either right sided role and I like that type of flexible, whilst you probably don't. I always like 3 or 4 players within a squad who can adapt and play in more than 1 position. 

Litherlands overall development will be stifled by playing him there for any longer than is absolutely necessary.  Whilst he is doing an admirable job filling in, he is a square peg in a round hole, he is much better centrally, as you will see over the next year or 2

Bringing in natural cover/competition for Alebiosu will mean that Litherland develops more and Rovers improve as a result.  he is tailor made for the right sided centre back role and should be playing there more often, either for Rovers or out on loan

Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

30 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Seeing as it doesnt look like he's played as a striker so far, thats probably the plan.

With Ohashi who likes to run the channels, A winger who cuts in could probably that role tho I don't know anything about him apart from watching some highlights video from his spell at Hartlepool 

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

Litherlands overall development will be stifled by playing him there for any longer than is absolutely necessary.  Whilst he is doing an admirable job filling in, he is a square peg in a round hole, he is much better centrally, as you will see in the next year or 2

Bringing in natural cover/competition for Alebiosu will mean that Litherland develops more and Rovers improve as a result.  he is tailor made for the right sided centre back role

With us signing a centre back short term means he probably won't get his chance in that role, But I think we should be flexible with him and has him playing either the right centre back role or right wing back role going forward, developing him is what I want. But I deffo wouldn't be loaning out Pratt or Litherland has RF99 has suggested previously 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Reyes cleary would be a decent pick up if we could get that done but not at the expense of an actual number 9 - that has to be the priority 

[KentExile]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

With us signing a centre back short term means he probably won't get his chance in that role, But I think we should be flexible with him and has him playing either the right centre back role or right wing back role going forward, developing him is what I want. But I deffo wouldn't be loaning out Pratt or Litherland has RF99 has suggested previously 

If the centre back is Ben Gibson then he is a slow left footer (Wharton cover in the middle of the 3), who will not be utilised as a right sided centre back

Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile

[ROVER_N_OUT1978]

Was there a Dutch striker we were interested in before the close of the summer window? Smit I think but could be wrong?

knowing our penchant for revisiting previous deals this could be one to watch. Can’t even remember the club and his stats were poor but he was a target man type from memory

Edited 1 hour ago by ROVER_N_OUT1978

[KentExile]

8 minutes ago, ROVER_N_OUT1978 said:

Was there a Dutch striker we were interested in before the close of the summer window? Smit I think but could be wrong?

knowing our penchant for revisiting previous deals this could be one to watch. Can’t even remember the club and his stats were poor but he was a target man type from memory

Milan Smit

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/blackburn-rovers-eyeing-up-swoop-for-europa-league-striker-after-lorient-transfer-blow/

 

also Sambou Soumano, who is out of contract at the end of the season

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/blackburn-rovers-transfer-talks-lorient-5m-sambou-soumano-deal/#:~:text=Blackburn Rovers in Lorient%2C Sambou,£5 million or more.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile

[ROVER_N_OUT1978]

Thanks KE, wouldn’t be surprised to see us revisit one of those deals 

[ROVER_N_OUT1978]

Smit is actually doing very well for GA Eagles this season so can’t see him being available 

[MarkBRFC]

28 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

With Ohashi who likes to run the channels, A winger who cuts in could probably that role tho I don't know anything about him apart from watching some highlights video from his spell at Hartlepool 

Or they could sign an actual striker that does play that role rather than trying to shoehorn someone in who hasn't played that role before.

Edited 1 hour ago by MarkBRFC

[KentExile]

1 minute ago, MarkBRFC said:

Or they could sign an actual striker that does play that role rather than trying to shoehorn someone in who hasn't played that role before.

The data says he can 😉 

It also apparently said De Neve could play wing back and Tavares could play the Tronstad role, so there may be some flaws in the methodology

 

[roversfan99]

42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Firstly, I getting very bored of this sort of response to me. Not everyone shares your opinion. 

Pickering has played there enough under Mowbray and now Ismael. I think he is more than good enough to play that role whilst Hedges can start games at home whilst Pickering starts away. Yes I know thanks that Powell hasn't played senior football but neither had Litherland and Pratt until this season, both have been be good for us. Powell is very attacking and I see no reason why we should actually develop our own. You aren't a fan of given young players a chance, that's your position

so what if Litherland isn't a natural wing back, he has more than shown he can play that role and why not develop his game, he likes getting forward even when he plays at centre back for the under 21's, So lets develop that talent. Miller plays the right wing back role for his national team. We have the option of playing Miller in either right sided role and I like that type of flexible, whilst you probably don't. I always like 3 or 4 players within a squad who can adapt and play in more than 1 position. 

 

31 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

With us signing a centre back short term means he probably won't get his chance in that role, But I think we should be flexible with him and has him playing either the right centre back role or right wing back role going forward, developing him is what I want. But I deffo wouldn't be loaning out Pratt or Litherland has RF99 has suggested previously 

I have not suggested that Pratt should be loaned out, youve made that up. I have been pretty clear that I wouldn't and that I would probably play him over McLaughlin as it stands on the left if we were to sign a centre back for the middle.

On Litherland, I have praised him too but just dont think its good either for him or us to consider him the direct alternative to the far more attacking and dangerous Alebiosu for the rest of the season away from his natural position. It should be either a case of keeping hin as a centre back or failing that, a short term loan to allow him to develop like Wharton did physically in preperation to push him on ahead of next season.

But if it is easier and needs you to make stuff up to justify, yes I am totally against developing young players. It seems to be a narrative you want to push to justify the inevitable inadequate recruitment about to come.

For yourself, you seem to have a policy of lets make do that suits these owners down to the ground. I dont want he can do a job there, I actually want he can thrive there, I want to improve. Pickering is not a wing back, I am unsure what has changed from you repeatedly suggesting his sale up until a few days ago.

Miller is really poor on the ball. Its all well and good him playing there for Australia against really weak countries, we have no idea if he actually does that job well for Australia. Playing at centre back is much more suitable for him.

[roversfan99]

8 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Or they could sign an actual striker that does play that role rather than trying to shoehorn someone in who hasn't played that role before.

Theres a lot of shoehorning going on. Pickering at wing back? Henriksson up front? Kargbo up front? Miller as a wing back? Litherland as wing back? Even McLaughlin in the middle of a back 3? Yeah, all of that is fine, no need to try and improve.

To be fair this Cleary rumour screams of a typical transfer window one that grows legs but comes to nothing.

[Theaxe15]

10 minutes ago, KentExile said:

The data says he can 😉 

It also apparently said De Neve could play wing back and Tavares could play the Tronstad role, so there may be some flaws in the methodology

 

The data suggesting either of those lumps could play football in general is the biggest flaw

[Comfortably numb]

[KentExile]

Just now, Comfortably numb said:

ah, the age old lowball offer for someone who has interest elsewhere

"we did everything we could"

[roversfan99]

"Top spy"

Deary me.

[roversfan99]

Nothing about this makes sense.

Why are we even trying to sign a winger when we dont play with wingers?

It wont happen anyway, I think thats pretty clear.

[B16Rover]

Ignoring the fact we won't be signing him, nor do we play with wingers - Clearey has had 6 months of OK form.  Not what we need 

[KentExile]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Nothing about this makes sense.

Why are we even trying to sign a winger when we dont play with wingers?

It wont happen anyway, I think thats pretty clear.

Its Venky Rovers, it doesn't have to make sense to be true

Something that is definitely true is that Rovers make their transfer and selection decisions based on data, and it is irrelevant as to if someone has played  in that position previously

See Ismael's rationale for playing Litherland at right wing back, or various summer signings who were obviously bought purely because data said they could press/win the ball high up the field (Henriksson) were fast (De Neve) etc

Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

To be fair this Cleary rumour screams of a typical transfer window one that grows legs but comes to nothing

We have made a bid for him as reported by Alan Nixon this morning 

[chaddyrovers]

30 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Or they could sign an actual striker that does play that role rather than trying to shoehorn someone in who hasn't played that role before.

Brandon Thomas-Asante started as a wide role at Salford before moving into a central role and now he is playing up front/number 10/wide role at Coventry under Lampard. So this guy could be the same. I would have like BTA here when he was at Salford

[Comfortably numb]

[chaddyrovers]

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I have not suggested that Pratt should be loaned out, youve made that up. I have been pretty clear that I wouldn't and that I would probably play him over McLaughlin as it stands on the left if we were to sign a centre back for the middle.

Fair play, I stand corrected on that

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

On Litherland, I have praised him too but just dont think its good either for him or us to consider him the direct alternative to the far more attacking and dangerous Alebiosu for the rest of the season away from his natural position. It should be either a case of keeping hin as a centre back or failing that, a short term loan to allow him to develop like Wharton did physically in preperation to push him on ahead of next season.

He did great at right wing back and he slotted perfectly into that role, He understand that role clearly just by performances. He could have a 2 goals against Millwall. 

Forget the loan for me, keep him here and lets develop him here. 

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But if it is easier and needs you to make stuff up to justify, yes I am totally against developing young players. It seems to be a narrative you want to push to justify the inevitable inadequate recruitment about to come.

Haha, your negative comments about young players is constant with you, you never want to allow them to develop and always very quick to mention their flaws instead of positives

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

For yourself, you seem to have a policy of lets make do that suits these owners down to the ground. I dont want he can do a job there, I actually want he can thrive there, I want to improve. Pickering is not a wing back, I am unsure what has changed from you repeatedly suggesting his sale up until a few days ago.

I suggested either Pickering or Ribeiro with the other one, staying and rotating with Hedges and if one is injured Powell can back that up. 

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Miller is really poor on the ball. Its all well and good him playing there for Australia against really weak countries, we have no idea if he actually does that job well for Australia. Playing at centre back is much more suitable for him.

just more excuses again and again to suit your overall viewpoint