Waggy Coming off what you have said - this comment stands out here as a typical reaction from the majority of Rovers fans. Instead, of looking at the signing in the context of what it is in terms of price and our current predicament they are quick to jump and criticise. Yes there are alot of sneer from oppostion fans but only beacuse it is not a major name signing , and IMO as a signing in general speaking only is not a good one for the club Blackburn Rovers in terms of long term and S/T sales. However as I have said, this is only generally speaking - now what I feel people need to look at here is the situation come the first Saturday of the new season and to see if Dickov is the only sigining of the Summer and if Cole is still here. We are not akin to know what Souness has in mind or the signings he wants - funds are probably going to be the decisive factor here - and the price at what PD has come at could well be a steal. Personally, I feel he is taking a hit and miss on Jansen this season and just needs the cover at a very good price. Who knows we could see the 're-birth' of MJ PD can score goals and has proven it in the P/L in a bad team - gamble or no gamble it is a gamble we can afford to take without too much loss if it does not work out - unlike Grabbi Time will tell whether this is a good or bad signing so lets just wait and see as nobody knows what his role is to be yet.

Just be aware of what you have said here Bobf - could come back and slap you in the mush - just look at Emerton (similar scenario!) Personally feel that at the price, this is not too bad a buy dependent upon what happens with Cole/replacement? At least he's British. How come the price has gone up though - thought he could leave for £75k?

And that my friends is fundamentally how this signing has got to be looked at. However, just a thought by my goodself based on what is flying about at the mo - If we do lose/sell Cole is Dickov a direct replacement or just a stop gap at a reasonable price and within budget for the time being pending funds availiability? Or As Cole is probably only 1 more season left in him at Premier level are we cashing in and as Dickov been bought for the progessive same reason as what Cole was originally bought for? It is without question, we do need strenghthening in other areas as a priority and the lack of funds is definitely playing a part - so only time will tell. This will do nothing to inspire the purchasing of season tickets by 'the fairweather fans' as JW puts it, which in all essence shoots down their aspirations of attracting back the casual fan with price freezes. What we all have to do though is just give Dickov the chance and await to see what actually unveils during the next coming weeks

Don't know what there problem is- have they all forgot what HE said in his earlier days - in that he is a Spurs Fan!!!!

bob fleming braking wind) Count yourself lucky Alan - I have to sit behind him!!

That's just it Rev Last Season people thought we where paying too much anyway, and we had just finished 6th. What it is the be-all - is value for money which a majority of Rovers feel they are not getting at the moment and that some players should not be allowed to wear the shirt unless they show that they actually give a damn. As I have said earlier, unless there are some major scoops made by Souness in the transfer market or some sounds coming out of the club that we are setting our stall out to win some silverware next season - then I can only say 'the horse has already bolted' (no not Yorke) and the club cannot be surprised if the s/t uptake is down yet again.

I hope no one is away during the next 3 weeks. Why not just send out the application pack, and stop wasting postage I'd imagine they are trying to get the renewal forms out as fast as they can. Why wouldn't they? It's probably this new-fangled card system thing designed to speed things up that's slowing things down. Sorry nuclear - but how the bloody heel does the new fangled system delay getting out the renewal packs It is without doubt , Rovers would have already had things in place for the new system ages ago - and if they didn't, then that is just amateur. My theory is they were still pondering what the package would be - which again I find amazing due to the fact that if I am not mistaken, JW stated that they had prepared for relegation a couple of months back. However, who are we to know as we can only speculate unless advised otherwise, what is clear though, is, it would appear the majority would rather the renewals are sent out earlier rather than later.

wAGGY - have you won the lottery or summat?

Its ok GAV - I'll find you a ledge in Lisbon

Gav - you've answered the problem there in one swoop. After the season we have had - at Rovers people know they can always buy tickets match by match 99% of the time and no more so likely that next season. So unless there is some major scoop(s) signing, people will probably see how the season pans out upto Xmas, and dependent on the remaining fixtures at home IMO we may well see an upturn in the 1/2 season tickets if the season is looking promising. As I have said previously as many others, the Board and JW especially had better be prepared for a shock re the S/T sales As my better half said - what use is a £50 off travel voucher to you? CK reply - 'Ah but it depends on how long its valid for! could use it for Europe (next season)- but knowing Rovers probaly only upto Dec 2004' Personally Rovers fans are not bothered about what other clubs do with their prices so long as they feel theirs is worth the price - somehow freezing the price IMO will not attract any more fans.

Rev you always seem to beat me to it!! No surprise to me either on this account - but will it be enough for the loyalists? Will be interesting to see the details of the D/D scheme Still have my doubts unless some major (fresh) incomings happen rather than outgoings except for the dross (see ya later Emerton). JW-Bit of advice - how about having a word with Souness about win bonuses when negotiating deals with players - no win and only basic wage - win and your pockets will be filled - and if they don't like it then tough luck, we don't want you - only players that are prepared to sweat blood and guts for the shirt - just a thought rather than overpaid mercanaries. Maybe then you might see a bit of more response from the paying public. Roll on Rovers - this summer could determine our next 5 years. Souness - THE ROVERS FANS EXPECT - will you deliver?? Controversial - maybe - but needs to me said.

Think it will be the accommodation that you will struggle on more - unless you are willing to pay over the rip-off over the odds excessive amount the hoteliers etc are charging. Managed to get in a Hotel in Setubal -appx 1/2 hr outside Lisbon £150 for 4 nights with breakfast.

Just got ours for the England v Croatia game - come on!!!

Surely not putting yourself up for transfer BobF?? You martyr you HAIL BOBF! HAIL BOBF! HAIL BOBF!

As I said earlier on this thread , the brummies are on one again thinking they are summat when all they have done is finish 10th in a poor premier league which in all essence shows just how bad we are. Have to disagree with most of you, thought they where quite loud at ONE point, but can't for the life of me work out how they seem to think they where loud all through the match - Have to admit, when they are on song I consider the 'big heads' to be one of the loudest set of fans around, but thought they where quite disappointing really on Saturday compared to other times we have played them. Enjoy your 'limelight' bluenoses because I think you'll come back down to earth with a bump next Season Now back to us, regardless of it being the last game of the Season found it very boring and worryingand a total let down that we could not finish off a poor Birmingham team. Flitcroft was annonymous (times up Shagger), Neill was yet again poor when he came on, Short looked sluggish and for some reason Stead looked 'out of sorts' even though he did put in the effort without much gain. Positives - Johannson was excellent -seemed to win everything, thought Douglas played well but still feel we lose out on a lot of chances of getting forward by playing him on the left, Cole worked his socks off in possibly his last game and Gray kept up to his excellent consistency with another good game, Enks made a terrific save and looked comfortable and more confident. Negatives - poor match wtih lots of wasted space and opportunity given up down the flanks to attack due to the formation Souness not putting on Gallagher sooner and Jansen not getting a game. And for the first time ever -I was another that didn't stay at the end, because I don't feel the players or Souness deserved it.

Now we are getting far fetched - Emerton beats 3 players /Cole a Header!! Been drinking again Nuclear?? See the Brummies think they are something again - we'll see . St Andrews isn't that where they still use 'clubs' (eek!) UG! UG! Going against all my instinct and judgement of watching Rovers over the years and the crap season we have had and last weeks miserly efforts, and predicting a handsome win for the ROVERS. Finish off how we started - 5-1 Rovers with a penalty to boot (and miss ) Get in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me a looney - tweep!! tweep!! Nice to meet you SS and yer dad What time did everybody leave the Red Lion?

It's all the more surprising considering how many lagered-up geezers carrying sex-dolls and wearing an "Orvil" shirt there are! Hang a hanky on their heads as well Bryan and you have the next trend generation of dedicated fashion followers - believe me you would if you had seen the natives of Tottenham on Saturday.

Could have got my best side Glenn

Woaaaaa.... B2000 - bit drastic that what with all the terrorist's things going on at the mo

Apparently last year folk went in there no problem. I do think we should play carefully though - a few Rovers fans drinking quietly in the corner is one thing, hordes of us carrying large items of blow up fruit might be slightly different. Poss Tris, but heh -its the last game and I'm sure the Spurs fans won't bother But think we will be heading for 'The Park Pub' or somewhere with a car park as we are driving and comeing back rather than staying over.

Just got mi Flippers - yipppeeeee!!! " Oh we do like to be beside the seaside.... Oh we do like to be beside the sea.... Oh we do like like to stroll down to tottenham... Where the ROVERS sing - where's mi inflatables gone...." Now where's that hanky?

<< and some more here ...... >> Is it a big pub and does it accept away fans? Classed as clientele of Spurs fans and locals

Think you'll find that we had been watching Stead since last Season (inc Souness I think) so it wasn't a bolt out of the blue. Think? I posted this on here before we signed him, and mentioned since Souness had had him watched for quite a while, so the likelihood is we would have ended up getting Stead (probably at the end of the season) regardless of the Mcbride situation.

Ah BobF mi old mucka - but then I would be lieing as I do care about what we do in training. Still want to know whether its whippets/ nags or pigeons