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Yeah indeed, thread is here: His sources at the club obviously aren't that good!

Didn't that story turn out to be false ?? Or am I thinking of the other one? I know the Sun ran two Bowyer sacking stories, one which they got wrong at the end of August and another after he actually was sacked.

If he is then I really don't want to know what the question is

If we fail to win our next two matches before the international break then that will be 8 games without a win. Even if we draw both matches our return would be a pathetic 4 points out of 24, and if we lose both then it'll be 2 points out of 24. Even a win and a draw would only be 6 points out of 24, and that's optimistic! I'm really tired of watching us go through these nosedives under Mowbray. I've said before that one day we won't be able to pull ourselves up out of it and it feels like we might be there this time. The Huddersfield match could have been the point where we pulled ourselves up but we threw two points away. Yesterday again, but this time we threw the entire lot away. Confidence must be rock bottom in the camp at this point and TM's increasingly withdrawn demeanour on the touchline suggests he knows this time it might be terminal. If we fail to register any wins before the international break he really should walk - although I very much doubt he will. If we do go down this season then every good thing he's done here will essentially be erased. We'll be right back to square one and this time I think most of our better players (Dack, Graham, Mulgrew, Lenihan, Holtby, Rothwell, Travis) will be out of here leaving us in a significantly worse position than we were the first time we dropped into L1.

I'm sure they and every other club in the division would love us to keep Mowbray on for as long as possible.

Our reputation was probably at its lowest during the SK/Shebby Singh/Agnew/Shaw era. There was so much embarrassing shit going on at the time that I don't even want to try and remember any of it. Nowadays we're just "that club owned by Venky's" and I'm afraid we will be until they finally go.

I doubt they even know we got beaten by Brum, let alone today's result. They might not even be aware the new season has started yet.

Absolutely. Can still remember them crowing on the final day of the 2010/11 season that Kean had proved the doubters wrong and was such a dignified and noble man, etc, despite it being blatantly obvious the man was a total fraud who was only taking us in one direction. Obviously I'm not comparing Mowbray to Kean or Coyle, but the point is these types of fans pull the wool over their own eyes and wear their blind loyalty to the manager as a bizarre badge of pride. You'd be better off discussing the state of the club with a brick wall.

Hard to pay much attention to those fans. They are the same people who if Mowbray was sacked would be saying it was time, and would then throw their undivided loyalty behind the next guy, even if he was a total joke. Can still remember plenty of fans inexplicably backing Coyle despite the appointment stinking to high heaven. "The king is dead, long live the king".

Mowbray told Bauer he would have to "earn his place" in the side, despite us not having a single decent centre back on the books besides possibly Lenihan. Just another example of the manager screwing us over with his bizarre mentality.

I said to the mate I was with at the time when I saw it was 2-0 - "we almost always concede at least two a game. We'll need to score four to win this." I'm so used to it that being 2-0 up doesn't reassure me at all. It just makes me wonder how long it'll take for us to collapse.

How the fuck does this comment even make sense when the team in a higher position beat the team in a lower position? What planet is he on? His comments are just fantasy-land stuff. He sounds delusional but there's certainly no sense of him walking any time soon.

The only thing that's going to change is our league position as we slip into the relegation zone.

Add another loss to the Armstrong/Gallagher starting together stats.

At any normal club he'd be finished, but at a club where he's allowed to appoint his mates in high positions and answers to absent owners who probably only check the table once every six months (or whenever Suhail can be bothered to let them know what's going on) he's laughing.

We have all the hallmarks of a relegation team. Desperately need to make a change before it's too late.

Only positive is that it's hopefully another step closer to the exit for TM.

Losing this way is even worse than getting thumped.

Rothwell to start every week please.

"Joe has to take the blame for today's 4-3 defeat I'm afraid. He may have scored all three goals, cleared two off the line and run the most yards on the pitch, but the lad needs to think about his positional play and his team game."

It's almost like Mowbray is trolling us and Rothwell by selecting him to start and then picking that team to surround him.

We can only hope Tony took Evans to a hypnotist during the week and now he thinks this is an international match.

Gallagher and Armstrong in the same team is statistically very bad news. Combine with Bell at LB and an Evans/Bennett CM pairing (lol) and it's almost like Mowbray wants to lose. No wonder he said they'd probably be better than us if this was the team he had in mind.

You're absolutely right that successful teams have strong, vocal leaders across the entire pitch. Not sure we have any at all.

Don't think he'll walk and think it's way too early for him to be sacked. Even Coyle wasn't removed until February.