Quelle surprise

behave, Bamford has scored 50 odd goals in his career.

Players get pilloried on here for poor scoring records when we look at signing them so because this one is a lot of money and now someone we've all decided is a world beater we cant then disregard the wisdom that's gone before. He's here to score goals and for 5, 6 or 7 million quid he'd have to score bucketfuls of them. Grabban cost Forest 6 million quid, this lad can't get in their side whichever way we dress it up and it going to cost us more. Doesn't stack up in my opinion. Don't get me wrong if he comes I will wholeheartedly support the lad and hope he becomes an all time great, but the fee in comparison to long time established goalscorers and young players with more pedigree seems very high.

Armstrong has played 50 or so championship games, scored 7 goals (in struggling sides) and has had succesful loan spells in League 1 either side of those 6 month championship loans and will cost a maximum of 3 million. 5, 6, or 7 million pounds sounds hefty in comparison. Armstrong also has a better goals to games ratio for England U19's for a direct comparison.

To be fair to Jon Stead he cost us 1 million pounds, scored a number of important goals in his first season helping to stave off relegation and was sold on to Sunderland for 1.8 million, so hardly a disaster really.

There are a lot of ifs and buts in that becoming reality. For a club such as ourselves that has been trading in the bargain bin for a number of years to seemingly having a bit of budget to play with I'm terrified we're going to blow it on a dud. As for his stats they can be twisted to suit any argument, you say some were from the bench, ok, why was he on the bench? I'm purely playing devils advocate in all this to be honest, I don't know if he's any good or not, what I do know though that is 7 million quid is a lot of dough. Whilst I do agree to some extent that at some point we need to join the party I think we need to be careful which party it is we join in, as at this stage it looks like one when you stick your keys in a bowl and end up with a one toothed hag from Padiham. I don't think it is unfair, they've spent the last few years battling around the bottom half and spending a load of dosh and bringing in a new manager doesn't change that overnight. West Ham spent an absolute fortune this summer, doesn't stop them being absolute toilet.

7 million pounds is an awful lot of money , regardless of who their manager is he is a 19 year old with less than 10 goals in 50 odd games and isn't in the plans of a middling Championship side, now we can spin those facts either way we want, but the fact remains 7 million pounds is an eye watering fee.

True, however with a player you buy I think they get more time to bed in. If a player comes in who is crap on loan and we know 6 months down the line we're going to have to shell out x amount on someone we already know is a dud it will stick in the craw a bit IMO.

Loan to buys make me uneasy, what if he's absolutely garbage during the loan period, how will fans then react to him being here longer term.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Adam back at Rangers with Gerrard.

I've tried to hide the news from my wife that I can watch all the midweek games at home rather than tramp down the motorway from Lancaster, the minute she finds out I'm pretty sure I will be roped into house/kid duties! Not to mention the ticket and diesel money that could be saved circa £40 a game.

I wouldn't be unhappy with Wickham, if we brought in Chapman I feel we'd still be short of a starting winger. Yes, Chapman is exciting and yes he can be dynamic, is he a man I'd trust to bring on in a finely balanced 0 - 0 when we need 3 points, not on your life, there is as much chance of him chucking a game as there is him winning it. Chapman is great when we've got the ball but leaves gaping holes when without, in League 1 we could get away with it because our players were good enough to cover, in this league I'm afraid he'd get pulled apart.

Anyone know if the midweek Championship games are available on Sky Go/Sky Sports App? Are saturday games available on Ifollow to UK customers or are the match passes still just for overseas, I've lost track/interest!?

I'm worried about the clamour to bring Chapman in like he is going to be the answer to all our prayers, who is a talented but raw/defensively naive player who couldn't win a starting place under Mowbray in League 1 he's since had 2 serious injuries and played little football. As a backup/development player I think he could be great but the lad has a lot of learning to do.

Well, time will tell, however clubs have had all summer to bring players in, if there is no difference between LTB and permanent then why have we fanny'd around to such an extent?

That is sometimes the case, however of all the players we've had on loan in the last 10 years, how many have been a genuine success?

Well the main difference is that you're not going to a club with a wedge of cash that they get fairly quickly.

I really think people are putting far too much faith in the loan window, the loan with a view deals are far too reliant on all the pieces falling into place. For us to get Maddison requires Peterborough to be able to get an adequate replacement, on loan, with a view to buy and the team they're buying from to be able to replace, etc, etc. I just don't see it happening how people seem to have convinced themselves it will. I think it will be unwanted premier league players being punted out as it is every year.

behave, he's crap.

Mate I go and watch Celtic all the time, he plays regularly and loves being at Celtic. He's started 52 of a possible 68 league games, so the idea he doesn't play is shite

A successful day today could put 1500 or more on the crowd this weekend, hell it could even put another 500 on season tickets. A poor day today will erode some of the goodwill and joy from last season, loans serve a purpose but permanent signings who we can count as our own are what brings people back to Ewood.

He plays most games at Celtic and loves it up there, not a hope in hell.

Hopefully not, he is absolutely toilet, as well as being a one of them.

Could be Luca Toni

Igor Tudor