Glad to have cleared that up for you. Football's changed a great deal over the last 150 years.

@Mike EWe've won the Intertoto cup, too! The terminology - cynical greed = profit. Profit isn't a word used about too many football clubs. Without clubs making money there are no clubs. Football league - nothing to do with them Football association - I don't know the rules, but I doubt there's anything to prevent clubs joining a new league as the premier league is precedent UEFA - in 2016 proposed a closed Champions League format with 16 clubs. Their opposition now reeks of hypocrisy. Deal with national federations not individual clubs except through tournaments the clubs apply to join. FIFA - want to expand the World Club competition. Deal with national federations not clubs If FIFA and UEFA ban the best 500 players in the world, expect legal challenges from national federations who will select these players. Premier League if it tries to expel clubs based on rule 9 it can expect a legal fight. There's also the clause about competitions sanctioned by County Associations that our clubs belong to. The European Super league could offer substantially more money to these county associations than currently trickles down. Enormous self-interest on the part of those against it. There will be a similar competition for women.

Sadly, no.

Me too!

This is the corner they have backed our clubs into. I didn't believe they were deluded enough to do that. Signing up to a mid-week competition is one thing, but actually leaving the Premier League, FA and struggling to register players that will likely take legal action to enforce is another. So a statement has been made and the founding members of the Super League named. The die is cast. No bottling. Gary Neville wrong, as usual.

No, they haven't bottled it. They are in a different situation than they thought they would be. The initial plan was for 15 teams to invite each year the best 5 of the rest into their mid-weekly league. 3 teams of the 15 declined. Now they are faced with being kicked out of their respective federations and have their players banned from competitions run by UEFA and FIFA. A very different kettle of fish. Anything the clubs say could have legal repercussions. @benhben I'm not interested in watching Arsenal play Man Utd once, thank you very much. I think the current structure of football in this country is a Ponzi scheme.

Don't we have a closed comp of billionaires every year in the closing stages of the champions league, already? Make what's implicit, explicit. We're not likely to get a sniff of European football as things currently stand. The only way is by winning one of the cups and our current manager has no interest in trying. Whether such a move as this would cause football to return to its roots, I don't know. Fans Forums and Supporter Consultation that's not a farce like ours currently is.

The level of opposition and threats mean that it would have to be a new separate league. That opposition is also political. I am certain that the 11 or 12 did not want to form a new league. They are now backed up into a corner. They will probably try to finesse that. As of now, I suspect the statement will be delayed to allow time to take stock.

14 other English teams to form a new league in England, if the European Super league didn't pan out.

All this wheeling out of the great and the good - worthies who are no longer involved in the game. The status quo is about to be shaken up. You think fans should be listened to, when you've the clear example of Venkys. Foreign owners don't listen to fans. They don't take threats to ban them from the local golf course, seriously. UEFA wants to expand the Champions League to 36 clubs after qualifiers and have all the teams play 10 games. That's the joke. I'm not giving the views of a few Sky Sports pundits any weight, either. I'm minded of the opposition by the Football League to the Premier League and the language used to denounce it. The ECA of 240 of Europe's leading clubs oppose the plan. Leading clubs? Part of the gravy train who want it to keep on flowing. I doubt that Sky would want to pay the premier league so much revenue without the 6. The premier league would probably collapse. @roverandout In that event, the 6 would just invite 14 other clubs to join them in a new league and be a closed competition just like the Football league was, when it only had one division.

Southern members of the Football league. Not forgotten Notts County efforts. Juventus still [play in their colours. What does what Sir Alex Ferguson have to do with proposals that move football on?

The plans aren't stupid. Reactions to it are OTT. Players are under contract to the clubs.

The Arsenal were one of the founding members who were heavily involved in making football a world game.

I've never agreed with Gary Neville. In current circumstances i wouldn't want teams from France and Germany involved. Some supporters have come out with their opposition. That's their right. It's also the right of the owners of the clubs to take the decisions in their best interests. Venkys have never taken our views as fans into account. Clubs have never liked releasing players for international duty.

No. @Ewood AceIt's unlikely that any of the teams haven't gone into this without looking at likely attendances. Like me, they probably think it will improve. Unlike me, they'll have survey data and match figures for the proposed opposition. @SIMON GARNERS 194 Yep the charade is over. No more spreading the jam earned by the elite all around europe. Salaries at all levels of football in England outside the premier league are unsustainable, yet I see no socially conscious queue of players demanding wage cuts. @Miller11 Actually yes, the views of the whole fanbase matters. A new league set up is not a matter for FIFA nor for UEFA per se. Clubs have to apply to take part in UEFA's club competitions and can withdraw any already lodged. I'd imagine the TV contracts are written in such a way that stop a load of money should certain teams not be in it.

Will they what? Fans on noticeboards are a small minority.

@Miller11Individual teams aren't members of FIFA. That's despite Man Utd having a fanbase numbering 60m. The general reaction to this reminds me of the fossils reacting to Kerry Packer who changed cricket for good.

Just shows the draw that playing the likes of Crystal Palace is. @SIMON GARNERS 194 Because these fans groups are a majority of the fans - not.

The six from our country have way more fans wanting to attend than they currently have space for. Their grounds will be full for their home matches. This has the backing of JP Morgan to the tune of 6bn as per Sky Sports News and presumably their arsenal of lawyers.

If this year has proved nothing else, it's that you don't need fans in grounds. I think people will travel every other week. Didn't we have one fan who flew in for every home game from Finland?

@chaddyrovers yes, it is inevitable. Playing against the top teams in Europe week in, week out is just what fans want. Clubs have not misjudged their fans. These self-interested fan groups now find their agenda exposed and left high and dry.

A European Super league is inevitable. The lucrative deals for UEFA and the Premier League bank on the presence of these clubs. Further down the road, A World Club league will be established. There is nothing any organisation can do to prevent the establishment of a European Super League. A football club is a business not something to be touched up for 'solidarity'.

It's about what he'd do with the players and resources he'd have available here. He prefers 433, which isn't ours with the players we've available.

No.

If he can fluke a promotion, we definitely need him here.