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For what it's worth,in my opinion , Dolan was never a chance, he was always going no matter what. He said he tried to keep Britain, that one upset him. Ismael was always replacing Travis, hence the "what contract?" comment. £2.7 million was simply too good to turn down for Hyam. But it isn't just those 4 that have left.

I'm trying to see it as they are. They're obviously not going to give everyone a 4 and 5 year deal. The players you mentioned, I'm guessing, will be on the lower scale and should be easier/cheaper to renew if they're still wanted. Some players are also just allowed to run out of contract at every club.

By "sort out contracts", you mean give them better terms. It's obvious that wasn't going to happen. I've never claimed Ismael was happy to let any players go, I just said it's a possibility. You didn't even think to consider it an option.

I've no idea if it's for the better, I'm just saying it as it is. it's you that keeps insisting nothing has changed , when you'd have to be blind not to see it's completely different. In their eyes, they're cleaning up the short term/high wage, low profit mess they inherited. Good idea if it works.

It isn't unable, they're more than capable of signing players as they've proved this summer , it's being unwilling. Something else you always dismiss is just how determined the manager is to keep certain players. Britain he definitely wanted, Travis I don't think he was that bothered , and Hyam they received an offer too good to turn down(understandable but timing terrible). Just because you'd keep them doesn't mean they fit the manager's plans.

I was meaning who finishes higher in the league this season.

They've just sorted 10 contracts out, it isn't a case of can't. If players aren't signing then sell them, that much has definitely been learned . Whatever is going on, it most definitely isn't a continuation of the last few years, as you keep eluding to.

He also said we're paying for past managerial mistakes, we can't afford for players who aren't signing to walk away for nothing.

Be interesting to see if he can prove himself better than Eustace this season.

Don't know, but I know we've struggled holding onto even older ones in the past.

Not sure how much choice the club has when it comes kids, someone will know .

Exactly

I'm not obsessed, I just like to point out how one eyed a view it was about the pairing .

Well not really, it suggests it was Hyam making Batth look good rather than the other way round

The posts coming out of Derby would suggest it's Batth missing Hyam rather than the other way round.

Depends if he's still up to it, a fit Dawson would most definitely be an upgrade, but it's a big if. Pity he wasn't as well as rather than instead of

Says 24th June,hadn't even returned for preseason training then had they? Would have already happened surely.

You've just started the ball rolling

Someone mentioned Liam Cooper last night, don't know what he's up to, he was watching Leeds last week.

I tend to not believe any of it from either side. It's made easier because a lot of it is quite literally unbelievable.

I think there needs to be a distinction made between not believing what the club says, and not liking what they say. Some of the rumours people believe because it suits their purpose are mad.

Be interesting to see who emerges as the best manager this season

Not being argumentative at all, yes the Hyam timing could see us short, but the point still stands on all 3.

Aye, the Hyam one could bite them on the arse, got a feeling Pears wlil come back into the fold

Top and bottom of it is, we've got enough players, it's just whether the new players prove good enough. They'll live or die by the results.