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They are also well aware of the risks they are now running with this model and don't seem to care, so it does raise questions about how long the so called desire to remain at Championship level will last.

Something iv'e been arguing for years even to some hard in the head journos and news outlets. You simply cannot call it 'investment' just because the head company might pull its accounting stunts on it's own books by putting it down as such. As far as the club goes it is simply necessary running costs which HAVE to be paid if you own it and don't want to bankrupt it. Investment is when specific money is put in and spent on players or infrastructure to run the club better or help it expand i.e new pitch, Academy buildings, new stand etc. The rest is just running costs, in V's time it's factual that the club has spent almost the same as its sold in terms of buying/selling players so they haven't actually 'invested' much if anything in that department. When someone buys a house or renovates the one they are in that is investment but simply paying utility and food bills to run it is just vital necessary running costs, same with the club. And that spend is gone, never coming back and written off for good the min it leaves your bank account. Unless of course you achieve a massive equity then sell it and everything is covered which is a long shot in any walk of life.

'Build slowly' when in the position we were in is just insane spoon fed club propaganda by those who benefit most from the secure employment and financial re-embursment a mid table forever Championship club provides for them. It's akin to saying no i won't take the fantastic early retirement package iv'e been offered and take a chance on a new job. i'd rather work on my current wages another 20 years because i feel that would make more sense.

You've already highlighted why there'll be moans either way, he SHOULD have been tied down nearly every one of the ones walked for free would've committed earlier IF the club had shown them something. If you invest in players to grow and sell then it's an absolute priority to always make sure you have something in place to protect that asset the excuse of a bit of poor form doesn't wash. At the very least you'll get your modest invest back if they are protected with a contract but don't actually fulfil the potential you had in mind. Otherwise it's pointless we might as well just exist entirely on loans and freebies on low wages.

The present regime inside that club want rid of everyone and they want cheaper. Actions speak louder than words and they are clear.

Odds on we'll be desperate for someone like that by mid season.

Allegedly he was at Brizzles training ground a few weeks ago.

So so predictable something like this would happen but it's just sooner rather than later. Which academy lad can they throw in now ?

Maybe a club who wants him is trying to get someone else out the door first in order to make way for these alleged gargantuan wages he's demanding.

Well we never build on what we do they do the exact opposite and pull it all to bits again so literally anything could happen.

Lowe like Benson has always seemed well regarded by the players so whatever his actual coaching abilities it's another cog from the dressing room gone.

It doesn't matter at Rovers once the ink is dry on the contract you can say what you want. You might rile the SD or CEO sorry COO or whatever his imaginary title is but they won't sack you because A - Can't afford to B - Don't have the outright power to do so. So once feet are under the table you are quids in, won't get sacked, do well in difficult circumstances but regularly hint at your frustrations and other clubs will be watching. Then engineer your own exit, may take a while but it'll come and even though those above you are aware they can't do anything about it unless Pune gets angry. Even then they'll try and head it off because they also might get the boot for recommending you in the first place. They'll also get a pat on the back if they rake in compen. Ismael will view this like the others as a stepping stone back into a better job and more money all he has to do is keep the team stable in the league and try and coach value into individuals. The big lad is quids in here regardless.

Maybe not so with Dolan but you'd think most with a balanced thought process would understand the situation Brittain is in, might not agree with his actions but understand why. Then again......

Don't mind Hedges at all in the squad every squad needs an old hand or two like him around willing to do the dirty work to let others get the space and credit. However imo he should rarely be a starter and it is a bit worrying big Val might view him as such but lets be honest he won't last long anyway before he's on the treatment table again.

Happens all the time now when someone leaves, club get criticism, club puts bait out everywhere bait gets gobbled up, fans hate player. Most of the very same fans then revert to moaning about the owners, running of the club and next inevitable cock up when it comes along. They just copy the tried and tested formula govts use for social conditioning in this era and it gets hook line and sinker results.

Given how shallow they came across when they first turned up that wouldn't be the least bit surprising.

Ah the Brentford or even B###'##y model ! Yes it is quite straight forwards to any well structured and ambitious club but sadly the opposite applies here it's now sell to pay the bills. Then use the loose change from that to fill out the squad and expect the latest head coach to perform a few miracles with them.

I don't think he needs nor is looking for sympathy he's just highlighted the things that are wrong here and what he has to deal with and what he'd like to see ironed out whilst he's here. He's just stating the obvious really as all those before him have but he'll soon realise it's pointless.

And we only did that because of Derek Shaw, who also just happened to be a business partner of Appleton ! Every other one post Bowyer had been dumped by previous clubs and sat at home for months also allegedly brought in by the same agents. A notable exception for JDT who had great success then left to pursue something different and he himself was an 11th hour appointment after something else fell through. Unsurprisingly to anyone with half a brain he also turned out to be probably the best of the lot even if it was only for a season before the usual gremlins got to work to spoil everything.

WOW TWO WEEKS .....

Yes it's where Venky's always recruit our gaffers from haven't you noticed yet ? Would you like to tell us the last time Blackburn Rovers sourced a well performing manager from another club ? Even Derby managed to do that AND pay compensation.

Aye but when you are sat at home doing nothing living off your previous payout and a contract lands in front of you worth a million quid win, lose, draw, sacked or not sacked you'll not think twice about signing it. Doesn't really matter what horrors await you does it.

Yes you've highlighted the point well there, three hundred to several thousands so in other words a normal step to a pro contract at this level. Then after 100 plus Championship appearances against, alongside and often out performing lads on 10-20 thousand a week he wants a contract reflecting that and he 'allegedly' turned down one that obviously didn't. So yes good luck to him, non of that detracts from the fact it's a carbon copy of the Nyambe farce except this time it's a better player.

So what he was on the scrapheap and unlikely to be touched by any half decent Championship outfit anytime soon. You don't know the real situation until you've been in the building a while i would have thought that was rather obvious, if in doubt write to Mr J Eustace esquire, Derby.

Ismael is already scratching his head and thinking how can you let players like Dolan, previously on £300 a week not that long ago, end up walking for nothing. It's obvious he isn't impressed.