So we've let him go on the cheap just so we can keep the lights on. They've bought themselves tone, but have they just kicked the can down the road? What happens in twelve months and the taps are still turned off? Sammie gets sold? Who do we have to sell for big bucks after that? JRC?

I don't think we'll go down this year, but I do feel it will be close. Next year however, were fucked right from the off. I think even if the judge decides ok, well take the brakes off. By the time that happens, well have been weakened so much, that we just can't build back. Jon would be mad to stay beyond this summer.

I mean, where does all this end? You have to think there's at least one relegation in the pipeline, and that admin is a CV distinct possibility. Why they've not put the club up for sale is a mystery. Do they really think they can get out of this one, ie get back to pumping in twenty mill a year and going for the best?

You know what, I'd completely forgotten he'd only recently (as in, last fucking month) signed a four and a half year extension. End of January and he's gone!

Palace have not even had to try that hard have they? They come back with a few additional ones and we collapse like a Benghazi khazi in a force nine gale.

We must be right up the creek here lads.

I'm absolutely devastated he's gone. And we've not even fought to keep him. It's just so crap.

23 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Not sure why people are so afraid of administration. Losing assets like the training ground have been suggested. 

We've already lost the fucking training ground!

There is more to lose with Venkys than without. 

Well certainly I've lost hope and am finding it increasingly difficult to care. I could handle the gloom of I thought that one day it would lift.

My greatest worry is continually nagging at the back of my head. What if they're here for good, what if they can't be gotten rid of?

20 minutes ago, jny said:

Wahlstedt came with a good reputation though, and all signs were that he'd make a good keeper. Fully expect him to go elsewhere at some point and become a great success (as is bloody typical with Rovers).
 

 

I said to a mate recently, he doesn't look like a goalie. More like a hotel receptionist.

Jon on the sidelines, looking on helplessly it would seem.

Wrexham belief growing here. We've huffed and puffed but we're a terribly soft side. Which isn't a great surprise, really.

No belief, no guts, no conviction. We're dead men walking

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

You need to remember that for some fans all they see is these owners ‘putting in £20 million a year’, so the issue must actually be the empty seats and that is purely the fault of the fans that don’t fill them, nothing at all to do with the owners that our crowds have collapsed this past 14 years. So of course that £20 million is needed because said ‘shit fans’ don’t come and we need to be ever so grateful to Pune.

I remember back in the early days, when we were all so much younger and care free, someone posted on here that they feared to criticise venkys at a match and got told in no uncertain terms that they were racist

9 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

That’s an incredibly specific example, some might say too specific 😄

😂

I'm sure there's a psychology PhD that could be done on our supporters.

It's stockholm syndrome on steroids. 

Very frustrating.

"Yes, my wife has been doing the dirty on me for thirteen years, but every tone she does, she feeds me a tictac and let's me look at the photos. So kind of her to think of me"

Peacock was worse by a long way. How he ever managed to become a professional footballer, it boggles my mind.

Dailly was usually capable of playing well and then right at the end of the game he'd lost concentration and screw up

23 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

 

Fully expect it to go through then

Glenn Keeley.

31 minutes ago, phili said:

In the past 12 months there have been 4 enquiries for the club, 2 from American Consortiums, 1 from a Middle Eastern consortium and 1 from a UK based consortium. On each occasion Venky's haven't bothered even responding. There is interest in buying us, unfortunately we have Venky's as owners and they aren't interested in selling.

The only way this purgatory is going to end is if Venky's are forced to put the club into administration other than that there is no chance of them selling their baby sadly.

 

Agreed, as I've said before.

13 years of being treated like shit and now people are expecting them to do the decent thing? No chance

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

Would beg to differ.

Any business without proper funding is likely to fail. 40ish years as an accountant have only served to underline that.

Just out of interest, clue me in on your figures here, which I'm not disputing. I'm just interested in your thinking.

Working capital I think is like saying cash on hand, money to meet the needs of the business. So I'm assuming that would be money to meet the operating costs of the club, plus I'm thinking you've probably factored some decent signings in there as well? What's the annual operating costs?

Buying back brockhall, fair enough, I would be hoping to lease initially, but who knows?

Not sure why you've added on thirty odd million on top, could you expand on that? Ta.

The devil is in the detail

 We're not a realistic proposition as a going concern, I realise that. Which is why I thought admin would be the only way out of this hell. You can write things off with admin.

The problem isn't just the enormous degradation of quality on the pitch, the infrastructure of the club has been neglected. It's difficult to imagine a long queue of buyers. And harder still to fathom why some fans still back venkys.

It's really depressing

21 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

I’d rather watch us play darwen next season than this continue indefinitely 

THE PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED FOR FAR TOO LONG. YA BASTA!*

A phrase used by south American revolutionaries, it roughly translates as ENOUGH IS FUCKING ENOUGH, WE AIN'T TAKING THIS SHIT NO MORE

Yeah, I can understand people feeling like that. I don't think there's any good choices, only bad choices and we have to go for the least bad choice I guess?

33 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

As a direct alternative to immediate administration I'd rather they stayed and paid the bills in the short term.

However the only palatable option in the medium to long term is they put the Club up for sale immediately. This routine of having to run off cap in hand to an Indian Court every 3 months to cover expenses and not being able to sign any players simply isn't viable or sustainable in the long run.

If I thought they would put us up for sale and someone would buy us then I would agree with that

Two points however. 1) I really don't think they will put us up for sale. Ever since we dropped out of the premiership the value of the club had dropped each year until we've turned into the basket case we are today with enormous debts and low turnover. If they wanted to claw back their losses as much as possible before selling, they would've made a much greater effort to build a decent team. In short, I just don't see them putting us up for sale as , if that were on their list of options, they would've done it already. 2) in the event that they did put us up for sale, I get the feeling that they would be looking for an unrealistic amount of money, plus they would be absolute murder to negotiate with, that is if you could get on touch with them.

So, I'm not prepared to wait, the optics of the last more than decade suggest that we've waited long enough. They have to go and the only way to do it is to take it off of them.

That's one thing I hadn't considered. To bin the manager you'd need to pay compo. To pay compo would need Indian beak approval. Which only comes once a quarter.

So yeah, gotta assume he's staying

Unless venkys go beforehand then I would say relegation in the next three years is inevitable. And it may be back to back relegations. They're not giving the club up, it must be taken from them. I'm terms of negative shit, I think all things are possible. I think the negative shit will have to happen before it gets praised from their death grip. I do think we're now beginning the last chapter of this tragic story. I just hope there's something left too salvage at the end.

I just look back at the Steve kean years and how pissed off I was then. If I only I knew that ten years later these parasitic thicko overprivileged bunglecocks would still be here still doing the same shit, I think I would've fallen to the floor in tears of utter despair

I wouldn't like to stake money on today's result, but I'll have a stab at connecting in first ten minutes and a three one loss

14 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

I am genuinely amazed he is still here.

He'll have to look at resigning soon just for the sake of his reputation. 

He's been completely lied to from the beginning. 

Reputation? Sanity more like

I wonder if he also gets told who to play?

One good thing about the man, he really is a straight dealer. Very honest. I to think he'll go, no decent manager would put up with shit like this for very long.

What an absolute clown shop shit show our club had become.

Diabolical.