Insanity. 50 isn't that young, especially for his lack of management experience. Wasn't his caretaker record, in 5 games which is hardly anything to pass a verdict on anyway, something like 1 win, 3 draws and a defeat? That's not great, it's bog standard. He was listed alongside two managers with much much better resumes, and you pick him? Jesus. I think it's got a lot more to do with your title than any rational thinking, but like I said to someone else (or maybe it was you) a few days back, if you want him then you deserve him. But the rest of us deserve better. We deserve a manager who has managed and has a track record worth getting excited about. Not someone with minimal experience and loads of aggression.

Sarcasm?

Tbf I've implied myself a disservice there. I'm a tosser, but I'm not that old.

We all are, but it doesn't bode well does it? If previous record was irrelevant we could just hire any old tosser. In fact by that reasoning I'd be a suitable candidate.

Oh good, all our operating costs and player wages have vanished? That's good then, yeh it'll be a nice healthy transfer budget then. We had TV money and a payment from Southampton last year. Result? We spent about 500k and had to sell the training ground for 8 figures to avoid FFP.

Maybe they don't want to change things and freshen them up. They should, of course, but it still appears possible Mowbray didn't leave because they didn't want him, but rather because they were inept and lethargic in communicating their wishes to him. If that's the case, they might still want the uninspiring backroom we currently have to preserve the status quo. Although I suspect they're just doing everything on a small budget again this year.

I should think an agent would be happy to get the compensation payoff and another fee for finding them a new job. It's more likely just the club being cheap. If that's what happened - Unleaded didn't actually say we had insisted on retaining those staff. He just said CC wouldn't want to. Sounded like the actual issue was a delay in getting back to him to confirm the job offer. Oh and probably that 3.5 mill for a year's work he has been offered. We know our offer will be 1 mill per year at the absolute max, and probably a lot less.

Nah, it was definitely a dig.

Hopefully not.

Wouldn't really 'back it up'. Those details can be fabricated with the same ease as you allude that the reports that have come out may have been. Anybody could make up those details. Either you trust what the reporters are saying, or you don't. There's not much point asking them to back it up.

It can only be considered as overdue. Best win ratio we've had in the Championship. Got the fans really animated. Who needs Carvalhal with the Portuguese connections Kean had?

What could they provide to back it up? CCTV footage?

Is it a mess, or do we just not know whether the DoF has greater power? If he doesn't, then appointing him first would be putting the cart before the horse. There's also the possibility we will shelve the DoF thing if a sufficiently good manager who doesn't want to work with one becomes available.

If we appointed a DoF first, we risk the manager we choose not wanting to work with them. Then we either lose our main man or have an embittered duo. The manager is more important, and we can then pick a DoF who suits their vision.

I'm presuming the reason the head coach is being appointed first is that he will have some degree of say in who the DoF will be. Which is arguably less than ideal long-term but short term works better for getting the manager we want.

Who gives a shit.

I know that, I've had several discussions about it on here which I'm fairly sure you were part of. My point wasn't that it can't be done, it's that it's now harder. If his recruitment has relied on European recruitment in the past, it will now suffer from more limited options there. Again I didn't say possession football can't work, I already acknowledged in the post you quoted that the manager's ability with that approach was likely a factor. Not sure why two posters felt the need to point out to me what I had already pointed out. Our players are also a bit technically limited for that approach, Buckley aside. Recruitment will have to fix those gaps and then hopefully our other players can cope enough to fit around it without being liabilities. I guess our most forward players could fare a lot better in that style this time despite their limited passing ability, just by being coached properly on movement (in a passing style game) in the final third. That was a big area of failure in the Mowbray possession season, we would just pass it around the box all game with no movement or penetration inside it. Until the opposition snatched it, took it down the other end and buttfucked us. God it was shit.

I don't think it's exhausted. All of the players you named had their debuts at least two seasons ago. We are almost certainly due the next crop coming through. Carter is also looking like he can be a solid option from the previous crop.

The video earlier said something like 70 million in sales and 20 million spent in 2 seasons. You'd have got Norwich promoted as champions with a net negative 50 million spend would you? Maybe you're the one we should be appointing.

I literally talked about the manager factor right after the part you quoted. I'm not at all convinced we do have the technical players for an effective possession style at present, they would need to be signed. We have Buckley, that's about it.

Farke would be as good as we can get, but a couple of concerns after watching this... He seemed to rely heavily on scouring the European market. Thanks to Brexit, that is a lot harder to do now. He prefers a possession based approach. That worked badly for us in the season before last as we don't have the right personnel for it and demonstrated this season that our squad works better with a counter attacking style. That said, that may have been partly the manager lacking an actual plan of what to do with the ball in a possession game other than keep it, and perhaps the right players being brought in could also make it tick better. On more positive notes, he seems to like to work with a DoF, which we want to bring in, and likes to bring through youth players, which is our greatest asset.

I have to agree with Glen here, behave. We have enough pointless arguing about ITKs. Glen has given us quite a lot of specifics that he says he has heard. Even the point you were pulling him up on was semi-specific at the least. He told us something about the decision making structure. He didn't say he knew something then not say anything about what it was, like all the 'changes are happening but I'm not even going to allude to what kind, but cheer up anyway because it'll be good' tripe we were getting from some a few months back. He said there are a set of advisors inbetween Ewood and Pune, and that they're not agents. That's information, whether people believe the information or not. It isn't vague nothings just because he didn't divulge everything about what he's heard. We don't need some more circular back and forth sniping arguments.

I have a Galaxy as well. It might be the app, maybe it doesn't do a full refresh and only puts up the new data or something. Either way it's obnoxious. I get that the site needs funding, but could we not just have those ads I'm sure we used to have that appear inbetween people's posts occasionally and you can just scroll past them?

I think there is a possibility we could have managed a Nuttall type situation, probably for a bit less money. But I think the player was a bit overrated. As Ben says, a lot of his goals were penalties. From memory he only got about 8 from open play? I do think it wasn't managed right though, that as you say he should have been sent on loan after that fairly successful PL2 season. Instead we kept him around to pad out the numbers and never used him once. He failed pretty badly in a very poor Scottish league, which doesn't bode well for how he would have done in League One or Two, but as I always say, I think momentum is extremely important, especially for young players. It's not just about opportunities, but the timing of them and the psychological effects etc. He probably expected either a decent loan or a shot in the first team, and he got neither. Then eventually he got a shite loan, which likely wasn't very motivating. The strongest personalities can shrug such things off, but not many youngsters have that, and it isn't only the strongest personalities who are capable of carving careers if managed correctly. Overall it's not such a big deal for me in this case, as I don't think he was ever gonna be big or anything. But I do agree with you that I feel we have a wider problem in maximising the potential of young talent. That said, our overall results at it are better than basically everyone else in this league. Doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement though.

As in, they can't solo sign off on anything worth more than 5k? Even those youth contracts would be worth more than 5k in total each though?