I didn't agree before that we needed another attacker. I absolutely do now. But 2? Nope. 1. Attacker 2. CM 3. CB 4. Better reserve goalkeeper. I honestly can't see us pulling off promotion without signing all four (unless we get super lucky with injuries and suspensions on 3 and 4, but this shows we don't get super lucky), and I doubt the budget stretches that far as it is. Definitely not gonna be room for a second attacker. People can say we should show ambition and raise the budget all they want, but it's not gonna happen. I'll say again, shouldn't have sent Carter on loan. His development isn't as important as our promotion challenge and we needed him for cover. Would have been one less player to sign.

Really? I'd say if Travis is back, that's almost certainly the team.

Yes, although some stupidly low ratings for this match. Apart from Kaminski who appears to have got man of the match despite being responsible for the second goal (fouled yes, but stupidly put himself in no man's land) and not exactly being worked hard the rest of the time. I tend to think the voting should stay open a bit longer, personally. I suspect not too many got round to voting on that one and it may have distorted the ratings a bit?

Hadn't realised that, thanks.

Given how we played in the last 2 games we played those conditions, I'd have to say it's not to our advantage, no. We got points still, but just barely.

Save yourself the hot dog. Gally is almost nailed on to start, and the lineup is announced for anyone to see a full hour before kickoff.

That must have been a real problem in the 2017/18 season when only 2 players scored 20 or more (21 and 20 goals). Or the 15/16 season when only 3 players managed it. Of course, the season before that, we had Rhodes and Gestede both hit 20+, something only 7 players managed. We finished 11 points away from the playoffs. I don't know if by historically though you meant before it became the Championship. @glen9mullan's initial point though was you need 4/5 players with 10+ goals to go up, and he means now not historically. Rather than go through every season, here is last season... 19 players hit 10 goals upwards. I make it at least 14, I think 15 who definitely weren't in promoted teams. Toney, Pukki, Buendia, Sarr I believe are the only ones who were in sides that went up. Sarr was Watford's only entrant on the list of 10+ goals, with just 13. They finished 2nd. Only Norwich went up with more than one player hitting 10 upwards. So no, you absolutely don't need 4/5 players who score double figures to go up. Interestingly, we scored 2 goals more than Watford last season. They finished 2nd, we finished 15th.

That was a genuine attempt to shove the player over so he couldn't score, it wasn't a genuine attempt to tackle him.

What happened to being sent off because you're the last man?

You're forgetting the other penalty and the red card. We were poor, I said that. We weren't as poor as is made out, and Hull were also poor.

It's even more of a mystery as I don't even think Gally is fully fit. It's only 11 days since he was subbed off with an injury after returning from an injury. The rush to bring him back in ASAP all the time isn't even helping the player himself.

Yes I doubt it entirely. 2 penalties we should have had, a red card for them, second goal was BS. I think the fact we were heavily fancied for this match and didn't give our best performance at all has coloured some people's views of the match. We were worth a draw tonight on balance of play, and but for terrible refereeing decisions could have won. Perhaps comfortably (how different is the game with us equalising and them with 10?)

Think you're spot on. Seems like he just thinks it's a mix of attack and defence, so any non-GK should be able to handle it.

I missed the prematch buildup, why was Travis missing tonight?

Don't agree with that at all. He looked very emotional, really pissed off. His nous is in question, not his desire (this season, anyway).

Did you forget how plurals work?

If it's any consolation, I'm embarassed you're a Rovers fan right now too. We are all pissed off right now and the last thing any of us needs is you telling us to smell the roses and suggesting we are shit fans if we see things differently to you. My own definition of a Rovers fan doesn't involve ever being embarassed to be one, either.

Agree there has been worse in terms of general decision making, but not in terms of number of flabbergasting match changing decisions.

Nice footwork from Markanday there. Shame we have barely got him on the ball.

Three terrible refereeing decisions. Of consequence anyway. One of them was a double whammy, too (pen and red card).

Ok, you make your own definitions on such commonly agreed upon terms as 'shot' and redefine it to mean 'almost scored' if you want.

Against some very, very tough competition, I think we can all agree this is the worst ref performance of the season so far.

Just Khadra? I showed you the match stats which show 14 shots. 4 on target. You doing the ironing while you watch?

What's the difference between that shove by Rothwell (free kick, yellow card) and the two on BBD (one inside, one outside the area, no penalty or free kick)?

Any chance Hull can bag another 5 before the end of the game? Might wake us up again...