41 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

if that was case we would Rovers still chase him and not move 

42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

if that was case we would Rovers still chase him and not move on

Who said we are still chasing him, more like the lad from Liverpool if they can decide to let go on loan. 
 

1 hour ago, J*B said:

What happened to the van Hecke going to Holland / Belgium because he’s got a family emergency story?

That’s still the case as far as I know, got told a while ago from someone who works for Brighton, saying because of a serious family issue, he would prefer to go on loan to either Holland or Belgium, unless he was in Brightons first team squad.

11 minutes ago, Giant said:

Just wondering if Ewood area is affected by the major water burst going on in Oakdale estate behind the Fernhurst. No water or poor pressure since 10am on Saturday in Livesey, Feniscowles, Tockholes etc. Some pubs shut yesterday. Still not sorted. Will Ewood Park be able to open if water supply is affected?

Just thinking that myself, still a lot of places no water this morning including Ewood area.

34 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Reports from Barnsley side saying no bids have been made for Styles… Also that Helik bids have been rejected from teams…We should be going for Helik IMO

He also said he’ll be out for another 3/4 weeks….

Our next 6 games, the same games last season brought in zero points, hopefully a lot better this season….

1 minute ago, unsall said:

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Bit of a smart Alec reply from you but theoretically the way to get him to sign is quite obvious isn't it. Offer him a bit less than Spurs are offering on the basis that the prospects of regular first team football will probably be a lot higher than there. And allow him a release clause so that if any PL Club wants him badly enough he can have his dream move and we get a decent fee. Everyone (fairly) happy.

IF we've done all that, then fair enough. I'd rather wag

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What’s smart Alec about it. Folk always blaming someone at the club when they haven’t a clue what’s been offered, must be a nightmare negotiating with the slimy greedy agents, that’s the problem,not Rovers management, in THIS case.

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Bit of a smart Alec reply from you but theoretically the way to get him to sign is quite obvious isn't it. Offer him a bit less than Spurs are offering on the basis that the prospects of regular first team football will probably be a lot higher than there. And allow him a release clause so that if any PL Club wants him badly enough he can have his dream move and we get a decent fee. Everyone (fairly) happy.

IF we've done all that, then fair enough. I'd rather wag

57 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Which is precisely my point.

Plenty of folk are keen to take Waggott's word for it, not just in this instance but in most other areas of concern.

"We've done a,b,c"

"We've offered x,y,z"

"We've got big bids on the table for new players"

"We've done all we can"

"It's not our fault"

Time after time stuff he comes out with then doesn't happen. I just don't get why people are so keen to believe the party line when he's got such a track record for bullshit or saying things that don't happen.

Player after player depart for nothing, costing the club millions in lost player value, yet rather than question what the hell people like Waggott are up to instead it's easier to look away from the club - FFP rules, crowds, income - all the usual easy excuses. Responsibility starts at home. 

And lets be honest we are only talking about Ash Phillips now because of the lack of CBs we have following another exodus this summer. If we'd have recruited properly up to this point we wouldn't even be considering putting him in the squad.

And how would you make him sign a professional contract, it’s very difficult how the system works, obviously with all the hype as to his talent, the big boys start sniffing and the agent wants him to sign for a big club and get his nice cut.

For all the faults Waggot has you can’t keep blaming him for everything especially in this circumstance.

Just tell me how you would get him to sign instead of Spurs, Man U etc.

What you need to do is have a meeting with Waggot and tell him how to get his signature over the line…

7 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I can understand to an extent.But some take it too far.Like criticising the club because apparently Hourihane turned down a contract offer here because Derby are more ambitious with that story coming from Mercer nowhere else.Or comments like "Broughton doesn't have any contacts over here" like anyone on here knows what contacts Broughton does or doesn't have.

Iv always said there are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize the club and if the window passes and it's kids on loan with hardly anything spent again then the club will deserve to be criticized and I will be joining in. 

But for NOW I will take JDT'S word for it that we have money and the club are focused on bringing in quality  

Oh and on Mowbray you didn't recognize a change in his demeanor after the Rothwell situation?He quite clearly had the hump and was Mr miserable from that day forward 

Correct👍 One great point from the management is they keep things under wraps, hardly any leaks, which somehow upsets a few fans, don’t know why.

Britain came out the blue and then the lad said in his interview it had been going on a couple of weeks, as others could be at this very time, so I’ll sit back and wait patiently and hope they can announce 2/3 in the next week or two.

58 minutes ago, phili said:

It is just accounting of how the money comes in and doesn't really effect things too much.

Cash or Shares are really the same thing in this regard.

You’re right, my main concern is getting from 140% to 70% in a few years, very difficult.

Still think some players we are linked with want far and away  more than £15k a week, I know we can sign players between 5k and 15k but getting quality players in on that is difficult.

1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

A load of tosh !

1. Fess up , yes he needs to come out and tell us where we are with new players to replace the ones he let go as DOF.

2. U23s from last season shouldn't be integral part of a promotion chasing champion side/squad, irrespective of my views on JB and TD

3. Carter is a Donkey and will struggle in a 3 which is JDT preferred formation.  Carter not quick enough or technical enough.

Not looking as much as you seem to be....with your personal attacks.

I'm a premier member so watch it laddie

Carter is a donkey, oh dear!!!

1 hour ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

UEFA's new financial sustainability regulations to replace FFP: All you need to know | Football News | Sky Sports

Good article here on the rule changes. As you say, we will only be able to spend 70% of revenue on wages in 3 years time (it's being phased in over 3 years to help clubs adapt) so we need to either slash our wage bill by then or dramatically increase revenue. 

You’re right, but some on here don’t want to know, like FFP doesn’t exist, it does and even though everyone wants new faces in, including me we just can’t pay wages we can’t afford with our revenue, we have to be smart, get players in but without paying massive wages.

Also we need quality players not just squad men, takes time when we are in our position and even though they are saying it’s a healthy budget we won’t be busting our wage structure, fingers crossed DOF can work some magic.

34 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Why does it always come back to calling people negative? It isn't helpful nor a hindrance to the team what people put on this messageboard.

Because he would agree he’s negative, just how some are, I’m the other way, my point is we just can’t go in for players and pay them what they want, it looks like we were serious for Davies just couldn’t match wages when you’re talking around £26/30 grand a week.

We just have to bide our time and hopefully come up trumps with a couple of decent players we can afford, like Britain.

Like I’ve said FFP isn’t going away in fact it’s getting tighter and shortly we won’t be able to spend more than 70% of turnover on wages, at the moment we are way over 100%.

But there’s some on here who don’t want to know, think we won’t get punished, Derby went for it bent the rules and look what happened.

For the first time in a while we’re got a DOF/ coach who seem to be tuned in.
I will wait until the end of the transfer window before making my mind up if it’s a decent window.

End of the day it’s a balancing act, try to attract decent players but without paying silly wages, unfortunately it’s not 1994 in the glory years it’s 2022, times have changed.

58 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I wish I could share the optimism but I really can't.

I don't think anyone can seriously put a case forward that we are anything but weaker than we were last season. It's all well and good saying that the window isn't closed yet and that other clubs are also struggling to bring players in but I don't think many will have a lack of depth and experience to the extent we do, nor will many others have lost so many from last season.

We are basically hoping that Tomasson turns out to be a good manager, at least better than Mowbray, and that the younger players can step up / we don't get many injuries.

A dangerous and reckless way to approach a Championship season IMO but seems the majority are happy to gamble with it.

Don’t think the majority are happy to gamble, but  realistic to acknowledge it’s difficult getting players over the line,unless you’ve money to burn,  most realise we might have to wait a bit nearer to the end of transfer window and see where we are then.

Pointless to keep being negative when we don’t know what’s going on in the background..

Lad from Liverpool on hold, injures to Liverpool squad.

3 hours ago, goozburger said:

Haddow signed a two-year pro deal today. Sunderland and Forest were interested in him, so quite good that we've got him to sign. Never seen him play, but he plays for Japan U19s and sounds promising.

Yeah, smart move by Rovers.

9 minutes ago, roversinmyblood said:

Who is Warburton?

First team coach for West Ham now.

55 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I’m not judging entirely just yet, as we always appear to be slow in anything we do relating to transfers. It’s just a bit frustrating we haven’t signed anyone yet, while other teams are well under way…

I understand that especially seeing Burnley and Preston doing early business, but he wanted to see what he’s got, squad wise while in Portugal and hopefully we are a bit nearer with a few quality signings, think it might be next week before one or two come on board. 
We need to get the permanent signings first because getting the usual loans from premier clubs will be last minute. 

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Derby will be in the PL before we are. Another like Wigan, Blackpool, Bolton used as a convenient example of what we would be if Venkys left but will ultimately rebound and rebuild whilst this club withers on the vine.

Here we go, you always seem to infer that we would have been better off going down the above clubs route, utter garbage, what those fans have gone through was terrible, if it happened to us most normal fans would have been devastated, just try and wait till the end of the transfer deadline then make a judgment..

See Reading want a £20 cap for away supporters and wrote to every club, already 3 agreed inc ROVERS, good stuff.

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Van Hecke falls into the Harrison Reed category.

Clearly a good player, clearly the sort we should be investing in and building our team around, clearly attainable for a Championship club with some sensible investment. But not one that we are likely to get done because we won't pay the relatively small fee needed to get him. Even if there was some serious interest at Rovers' end we would take too long or faff about trying to drive him or Brighton down on cost whilst a rival comes in.

So instead he will end up elsewhere in the Championship and then we will get stories about how we could never get him due to FFP/Parachute money or because his girlfriend wouldn't allow him to live anywhere other than the South Coast of England etc. etc.

How do you know it would take a relatively small fee to get him?

2 hours ago, CoconutGrove said:

Personally, this transfer window is an interesting one. It’s not often a club goes 5 years between managers so we are going into a bit of an unknown period.

 

Hopefully, the appointments of JDT and Broughton will prove to be as good in reality as they do on paper. 

 

I’m not concerned about the lack of names spouted about in the media, I’d argue there success rate is less than 10% and our deals tend to get done behind the scenes.

 

Looking at our squad, there’s quite a few replacements we need. For me, the CB and CM positions are the ones we are lacking in.

 

JDT has done the right thing with taking the youngsters away with the first team. I hope Phillips gets a few minutes this season but he’d need an experienced head next to him. Ayala is the only one at the club who is that experienced but unfortunately, he’s injured too often so his wage is hard to justify.

 

One of my closest friends is aligned to a football agency and he has said we are in for an experienced CB (CL, international, PL) who is currently in a contract with a “big” club but is deemed as surplus to requirements.

 

Now I don’t want to share the names in case it comes back on him but I’d imagine if we get this player, it would suggest Ayala is off.

 

 

Every now and then (I’d say 1 in 10) he gets wrong but he’s been right about Nyambe not renewing, Dack getting a new deal as well as other things like Ajayi picking WBA over us. The main one he was wrong about was Wil Trapp coming over but apparently that was very close to being done.

 

So understandable if you take this with a pinch of salt (as I do with internet/social media rumours) but just thought I’d sprinkle something I’ve heard into this chat.

Appreciate the info 👍

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

If we don’t sign better players than Lenihan and Nyambe, then there’s every reason for ‘doom and gloom’. Particularly if we’re paying Ayala a decent wedge to ensure the physios aren’t lonely….

Agree, if and it’s a big if, Ayala keeps fit with Wharton and Carter steps up, 1 more decent c/b should be ok, personally think a Nyambe replacement shouldn’t be too hard to find, thought Nyambe was not too bad, but not improved, think we can do better.

17 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

By the same token, you have absolutely no idea whether Nyambe wanted say 12k p.w. but was only offered £6k or £7k p.w. 

Until we do know for certain what sort of figures the players were offered, then it's impossible to say definitively who was in the right and who was in the wrong. So you cannot just assume the terms offered by the Club were reasonable.

All we know for a fact is that none of the out of contract trio accepted whatever terms were on offer. That would indicate to most rational people that either the terms on offer weren't competitive enough or the players had no confidence in the outgoing management team and Waggott, or a combination of both.

I would venture to suggest also that losing three key players for nothing at the same time is an absolute catastrophe  for a Club in our current financial situation and not merely one of those things that happens as you suggest. If one of the three had declined to accept terms you could maybe put it down to him being a bit greedy. For all three to decline suggests something has been seriously awry.

 

Re Rothwell, if we’d sold him to a rival in January this M/B would have been in meltdown. Fair play to the owners for refusing good money but it went drastically wrong, now all the captain hindsight’s are saying we should have sold him, and you’re right no one knows how much we’ve offered the other 2,  so why does everyone say we didn’t  offer enough… might come out one day. I personally think Lenihan got a good offer but who knows.