Look like Monk.will take over..

Ex Swansea, Leeds and Boro boss

Cotterial sacked at Birmingham

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

Then don't use VAR, use Hawkeye or something else.

use hawkeye for penalty calls how does that work then? 

offside yes very possible but you cant keep stopping the game 

I feel that fans in Germany and Italia don't want it involved in football, and with fans at Wembely booing each time the system was being used

22 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Rules are rules, they aren’t down to interpretation. Offside is still offside, the goal line is still the goal line, if all the ball is over it, it’s a goal.

If it was applied as quickly as in other sports, it would work without upsetting the flow of the game. No messing.

 

the offside rule is more complicated than ever 

Goal line decisions is nothing to do with VAR 

Whether its a foul or not is not a Simple decision at all. 

but the VAR isn't quick, suggest you look at how badly the systems are in Germany and Italy and how fed up fans are already. I did post a link to the Germany fans being fed up

5 hours ago, K-Hod said:

It definitely could work, it does in other sports, no reason football can’t be the same. It works in rugby, cricket and tennis well and efficiently. Said it before, but we could always just ring the president of the LTA and ask for the number for Hawkeye...

Different sports. 

Alot of football decisions are opinions based not fact

Ive always said it wont work in football. 

VAR experiment need to drop and forgotten about now. The system is farcical and yesterday game proved it..

The ref yesterday wasnt good enough and frieghten to actually proper decision.

Using VAR system is killing football and annoyed most fans. 

Always said it wouldnt work in Footnall and so far I seen nothing to prove me wrong

'He completely changed the mindset within the group' - Bennett praises the impact of #Rovers boss and talks promotion race https://t.co/etMkFSxRpQ

Surprise Reading hasnt sack Stam yet  

1 hour ago, OJRovers said:

Samual not on the bench tonight, injured/illness/dropped?

Injury

1 hour ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

You said his legs had gone and that we should sell him ASAP

True. 

I was wrong. 

Im pleased he proved me wrong

3 hours ago, arbitro said:

But you criticised him for the same things people are critical of Samuel for. Double standards?

Not for me, different expectations for different players. If you disagree fair enough. 

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

It wasnt a direct comparison, stop taking it out of context. Just was saying that any positive physical attributes will always be counteracted by a poor work ethic, i dont feel when i watch him that hes working hard enough.

If he rated Samuel and had no doubts about him surely hed feature more than the occasional sub appearance.

Samuel has never proved in his career that he is a capable goalscorer (unlike Graham), we paid for promise and youth that as of yet hasnt looked likely to materialise into anything more.

Samuel has started 16 games out of 27 games he played him this season with 5 goals. Look more than occasional sub appearance doesnt it? 

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

He never questioned Danny Grahams attitude or performances but you were highly critical of him saying pretty much the same things people are saying about Samuel. Mowbray very rarely criticises players publicly and that's how it should be.

If I remember correctly I was unhappy with Graham performances and work rate from an experience player. But I didnt compare him Best tho did I

54 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If he was convinced then hed be in the team. Self explanatory. Graham was out of form but managed to break back in, Armstrong has since been signed, and both are doing what Samuel has been unable to, and now barely plays.

I have made the judgement myself (shared by others) that his body language and work ethic is not that of a player desperate to earn his place back, hence me questioning his attitude.

Has Mowbray question Samuel about work rate or attitude or performances in the past 4 months?

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I said that he has assets(pace and power) that are useful if applied correctly, I dont think Leon Best is useful because of his brain meaning that anything he does have going for him is rendered meaningless due to a lack of work rate and work ethic. If you think I am implying that Leon Best as a player is useful then you dont understand my point.

The only reason I even found that article is because im not the only one to question his work rate here, so the fact its a running theme makes it even more of a concern.

The 2 players you mentioned were geniuses, they had shown their ability in the past, it was just their temperament that needed keeping in check, the ability was never in question, sadly with Samuel even that is in doubt.

My point in regards to Mowbrays view, is that hes clearly not 100% convinced hence him falling down the pecking order. 

How is Mowbray not convince then? He picked a team on performances and rightly Dack, Graham and Armstrong ahead based on form,. 

Has Mowbray question his work rate or Attitude?

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I never said Best is useful, again you are taking peoples comments out of context. He has a bit of power and pace but my point was that hes never taken full advantage of these attributes because of whats between his ears.

Another person weve debated is Elliott Bennett who admittedly from a different position also isnt scoring in the moment. That said, his attitude is what you want to see from a player, even if hes not scoring goals. Samuel on the other hand is like chalk and cheese. The attitude questions that have been raised ring further alarm bells when you discover that managers in the past have had the same problem.

You keep saying Mowbray has taken to him, but he had the shirt to keep earlier in the season and now hes 3rd choice, behind Graham and Armstrong who he signed since he got Samuel.

you wrote @roversfan99, the quote was "the point was they both have attributes that are useful"

I am not interested in Samuel's previous managers views at all, I only interested in Mowbray opinion of him, look at players like Di Canio or Cantona and how Ferguson and Redknapp got the best out of them despite previous managers negative views on that. 

Mowbray signed him here despite what the previous managers thoughts are. 

The form of Graham and currently Armstrong have kept him out of the starting lineup but he will be need before end of the season. 

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Only because you either ignored my point or didnt understand, the point was they both have attributes that are useful, power and pace, enough for managers to take a chance of, and I suggested that I hope that Samuel doesnt have a similar career, ie many clubs but never really finding a home due to a poor attitude.

I know, but he clearly isnt convinced, hence him being dropped.

Samuel doesnt deserve to be anywhere near the team, in his chances hes looked ineffective and disinterested, the opposite of Graham, he doesnt deserve a run of games.

Did neither but lets move on

Best is useful? Really? Good at scoring own goals. 

Samuel is dropped due to Graham form and scoring goals. Fair play to Graham.

Samuel looked disinterested and ineffective on Saturday? Still worked on despited poor service and lack of support. 

49 minutes ago, Miker said:

Where is this poor attitude assertion about Samuel coming from? He was excellent for us earlier in the season and simply hasn't been given much game time for most of this year due to Graham's form.

He's worked hard when he's come on and gotten into good goalscoring positions, but has been missing too many lately. I can't believe people are already writing him off and wanting to get shut. 

Exactly. 

39 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/curious-case-dominic-samuel-never-13362740

Managers have come and gone since McDermott, but none really took to Samuel.

Nigel Adkins was critical of the player's attitude, as was current boss Jaap Stam. Samuel never a key part in Steve Clarke's plans when he was manager.

This is where I found that hes been accused of having a poor attitude in the past.

I don't agree at all that hes worked hard when hes been on the pitch, hes looked at times disinterested.

But Mowbray did take to him and why he signed him. 

Does he have a poor attitude now? Not bothered about past but now and future. For me, he got talent but low on confidence due lack of game time and scoring goals which is understand tbh. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Mentioned in a conversation with @chaddyrovers in another thread. Albeit my loose comparison to Loon Best was taken out of context and got peoples backs up.

Hes got certain attributes but he came with previous managers having given up on his poor attitude, he never threatens to do anything noteworthy, the application isnt there,  hes not got the ability either, even at this level and hopefully he will move on in the summer. 

You make the comparison to Leon Best which was completely unjustified. No wonder it got people back up. 

Previous managers? Mowbray signed him here after having him at Coventry on loan, so Mowbray hadnt giving up on him tho. 

Look yesterday, the service to him was poor and attacking wise we were poor second half. Still chasing the ball down and look to work hard. So very unfair to say Application not there. Samuel isnt a target man like Graham is. He needs a run of games just like Graham did back in November. 

9 hours ago, OJRovers said:

Mahoney one of those who wanted out surely?

Think Mowbray already knew he was off. 

Since leaving here done nothing

Reckon the players who wanted out was Lenihan Mulgrew Evans Steele

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16038881._You_are_carrying_the_flag_for_the_people_of_the_town____Tony_Mowbray_on_connecting_with_the_Rovers_fans/

23 minutes ago, OnePhilT said:

So that's a nailed on minimum of 6 VARs per match. No thanks!

Get rid of it all. 

Worse thing in football

5 hours ago, Tom said:

I think that part of the offside rule is fine myself, if a cross comes in and just before  it's struck a striker has flung himself anticipating a diving header and his top half beyond the last defender and he scores I think it's right that he's offside even though his feet may not be.

For me the Mata goal was rightfully ruled out but the messy way it was proven needs work.

Out of curiosity you say you aren't a fan of any technology in football, how about goal line technology?

yes goal line technology is either yes or no not down to referee opinion or linesman opinion. 

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

No it shouldnt! His knee was offside, a part of his body that he can play the ball with, therefore the actual decision was correct.

To clarify, I do agree with your repeatedly told opinion though that VAR should be scrapped.

Thats even on the assumption that is made much more efficient, ie better communication, much quicker, people given the correct pictures and not the farce seen on Saturday. Another thing is its only in certain games at the moment, which is unfair, but even if that was changed and it was brought into every game. None of these are reasons to get rid of VAR because they are things that you could argue can be improved.

I just feel that, even if all of that happened, there will always be the grey area of whether a mistake is clear cut enough to go to a replay in the first place.

But more importantly, it takes the emotion out of the game, even Wagner said that and he got the benefit of VAR. Goals are what makes football, and if a goal has to be reviewed first, it is the equivalent of letting all of the air out of a balloon, once the decision is made the euphoria is gone.

Its the debate of whether you want more correct decisions at the cost of the entertainment and spectacle of the game. Sadly though I think VAR is here to stay, albeit it will be tweaked no doubt.

pleased you agree it should be scrapped. 

fans here, in Germany and Italy are fed up of VAR already and no decision where it is Referee opinion should be used for VAR. 

the only entertainment of current VAR is BT Sport mess up and their forceful coverage of it. so embarrassing for them

44 minutes ago, had.e.nuff said:

Ranaldo scored a goal with his knee the other night and Unless i have missed something I think only a goalkeeper can play the ball with their hand and only when they are in their own area

law 11

It is not an offence to be in an offside position.

A player is in an offside position if:

• any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
• any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
• The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered.

 

 it was allot easier with the rule as it was before all this 1 phase second phase rubbish

what a daft rule. clearly written by someone sat in a office and not by ex pros. 

It should be judge on whether their feet are level not their body. more daft stupid rules. 

But VAR doesn't work and Mata goal should have stood

2 minutes ago, had.e.nuff said:

You can only be offside if a part of your body that you can play the ball with is offside an arm or hand will not count it was Mata`a knee which was offside .

You can play the ball with any part of body tho. 

Offside should be whether you feet are ahead of the defenders not your knee. The current offside rule is daft, stupid and need scraping asap. Just have a simple rule. 

3 minutes ago, Kamy100 said:

I was a supporter of VAR but having seen the way that it has been used in Serie A and it's implementation in the cup competitions in it's current state it is not fit for purpose.  The parameters of it's use are way to broad and in football a lot of decisions are "judgment calls" which technology cannot help with.  Someone said to me well cricket things like LBW's are judgement calls, yes they are but in cricket the ball tracking technology can be used to determine whether the umpires judgement was correct or not but in football the decisions for fouls/penalties there isn't the technology to help with those decision other than TV pictures of the incident from different angels but ultimately it is still the VAR ref using his judgement rather than with cricket were ball tracking technology gives a definitive answer. 

VAR has a future but it needs to be re-assessed and the parameters of what it can be used for need to be tightened up.  The technology also needs to improve, for example it was farcical that there was so much confusion about the offside decision which was essentially a line call which the technology should have been able to clear up quickly but instead it caused more confusion.  They also need to ensure that there is transparency so we should all be able to hear the conversations between the officials and VAR.

 

Great post Kamy. 

Ive read and seen in German football that chaos its caused. 

VAR cannot be used for judgement calls like whether players were tripped in the box. I still think Ali were tripped yesterday. Other will disagree. 

The Offside decision that ruled out Mata's goal were straight has he was in line but it was given cos his hand/arm were offside. Crazy. 

Offside decisions need to very clear and fans need to hear the conversation between the officials. 

Still not in favour of VAR in Football. 

I think one of biggest problems with VAR is refs not making decisions on the field and rely on VAR to make simple decisions and bottled the decisions making. 

Keep it out of football cos it will ruin the game and make it stop start game which football is not this type of games