Plus Trybull and Douglas. Eleven out I think. No loss at all with most of them but in an ideal world I'd say we'd need three quality permanent additions in and a couple of decent loans. And that's without losing Armstrong.

If the omission is that glaringly obvious that would suggest to me the keeper but I'm assuming it's not that as at this stage that would be desperate even by our standards and there hasn't even been the slightest suggestion of any interest in him. The other players whose omission would be particularly noticeable would I suggest be the obvious one (Armstrong) Lenihan or Nyambe. We'll soon see I guess. Whoever it is I doubt it will be good news.

The obvious one or someone else?

So by process of elimination, not Mowbray, Waggot, Cheston or Johnson. Are you talking about Barr or Cooper who are rumoured to be leaving or someone else entirely? 🙂

100%. We get the same sort of feeble excuse every summer when we lowball Clubs for players then get gazumped by teams eventually offering what the selling Club/player want. How dare other Clubs act in such a manner! It's like the excuse given to the Fans Forum for season tickets going on sale late, and which seemingly wasn't challenged. Which without quoting directly was roughly: "There was a lot of discussion about striking a balance between value for money for fans and keeping a competitive team on the pitch as we rely on £3.5 - £4m season ticket income every season". Considering so much detailed discussion allegedly needed to take place we didn't do anything particularly imaginative or innovative, prices stayed the same! And considering how badly we supposedly need the money I think someone should have pointed out that no-one in the history of commerce has ever made any money without making their product available for purchase! They really are taking everyone for mugs.

Always love an away kit with red and black halves and might purchase one out of principle * at age 57 * but I think the white collar looks terrible, it's nowhere near as nice as the Roque Santa's Cruz version imo. The home kit I'm not overly sold on, again don't like the collar at all. *KHod - wash your mouth out you young whippersnapper* 🙂🤣 Edit: Was relying on long distance pics from the Bradford game for the home shirt, having now looked at it properly I think the collar works a lot better on the home than on the away kit.

I used to be on the Forum and there are some good people on there including OTG's of this parish but unfortunately the Forum seems to be becoming unfit for purpose. I'm not sure if it's too much of a stretch to say the future of the Club is hanging in the balance yet no-one seems bothered enough to ask any pertinent questions. Or at least if one is asked it's being batted away with a response like "We'll look into it" and that isn't being challenged. They need telling that that's bloody well not good enough then a follow up needs to be arranged to see what actually, (if anything) has been done.

I'd imagine nearly everyone will be on furlough.

Take it you missed the word "departure" out of your post? Reading between the lines of what you say, Waggott or Cheston?

Serious point, we're short of money and Mowbray then Venus/Lowe/Johnson etc. Surely one assistant manager is enough, how many do we need? (Needs a clear out of the lot with the possible exception of Johnson imo)

Yet these numpties seemingly wanted to sell half of it off and cram the same thing into half the space!

The first paragraph is the 64m (or 200m) dollar question and whilst they have funded us to date I don't think anyone should be under any illusion that this will automatically last indefinitely, They might just get up one day and decide that funding is to cease. As to why they do it, a) because they can and b) I suspect it's because of the stigma attached to having a business go to the wall in Indian culture. Either way we can't afford to lose any more time failing under the Coventrio. The Club would appear to be at a delicate tipping point as it is.

As far as I'm aware they do put their hands in their pocket, usually by issuing share capital and the vast majority of the debt is not secured against the Club but against the holding Company Venky's London or whatever it is called. Technically the Club will probably owe the money to the Holding Company but I'm assuming there's an understanding it will never be repaid unless something extraordinary happens.

Agreed to look into, would consider, plans will be put in place etc etc. Absolutely pathetic.

Not quite, on researching it, it was £5m plus add ons. They now have a player worth £25m plus. We'll be struggling to net £10m for Armstrong if he goes so who got the better deal?

If you have the vaccine then you're protected (in theory). So then why is it any skin off your nose or anyone else who's double jabbed whether or not anyone else has the vaccine or not? The missus and myself didn't really want the jabs but decided to have them because we didn't want any jobsworths telling us we couldn't go in a Pub or restaurant or (predictably now) a football match. We got Covid anyway, the missus who'd had two jabs was quite a bit worse than myself who'd had one jab at that point. So we feel it's an absolute waste of time from an immunisation standpoint. Having or not having the vaccine should be entirely a matter of personal choice and no-one should be looked down upon or excluded from Society because of it. Anyhow - back to season ticket sales hopefully.

So what's this guy actually doing to earn his corn then? Let me guess, he isn't a fan of Academies either...........

Would be nice if the owners were turning the screws on Waggott and Mowbray to try and get them out without paying any compensation but the appointment of Mowbray's mate Park appears to run contrary to that.

Three wrongs don't make a right though!

Well, yes again, that's the other side of it, for me we should never have agreed to the 40% to start with but once it had been done and knowing it was in place our absolute number one priority should have been to ensure AA always had plenty of time left on his contract. Sheer incompetence all round but like I say no surprise with these bozos running operations.

Ridiculous from our end, savvy from Newcastle's end!

Depends whether you think £3m was a fair price for Armstrong or not. Which at the time I think it was. Newcastle haven't been paying 40% of his wage for the last 3 years have they. They got a fair price and get 40% of any profit. Ridiculous.

Well yes, IF that happened then if I were Newcastle I'd be arguing that the value of any player taken in part exchange should be factored into the deal.

It may happen but under no circumstances SHOULD our prize asset be replaced by anyone on loan. He will just end up not being replaced after that.

There's absolutely no suggestion we wouldn't pay the 40% if we did sell him is there? I have to respectfully disagree on whether Newcastle had us over on the deal, I think they saw us coming and shafted us accordingly but it's our fault for agreeing to it in the first place. No surprise with these buffoons on the ground at Ewood.