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Yet we found Mowbray who you apparently seem to rate so highly when we were in a far worse position in the table If we're still fishing in the HSH pond I wouldn't mind Mark Robins at all.

I thought you favoured the head coach with a DOF model. Seem to recall you mentioning it once or twice!

Another potentially good one missed. Cue Gav to say everyone said the same about Warnock when he first went to Boro and Hughton! Personally I'd rather take the gamble and TRY to be more successful rather than sit there doing nothing because we happened to win the last game.

If that's the stance Waggott and the owners are taking, it's incredibly unprofessional. After three and a bit seasons in the Championship they've had ample time to assess whether Mowbray is the right man for the job or whether he's not. He clearly isn't and one good result shouldn't change that. (Same goes for Waggott himself)

Will you still support the Club if Mowbray does get a well overdue dismissal Gav?

I believe what you've posted..... but you certainly don't help yourself.

Not the firing bit but otherwise have heard very similar from someone else who has definitely had one to one contact with Waggott so these naysayers who doubt certain info being generously divulged when it doesn't actually need to be should get up off their backsides and make the effort to establish some contact themselves!

He isn't a decent Championship manager. He's shown he's adequate at League 1 level with a budget many times that of anyone else but has shown he is completely out of his depth at Championship level both on the pitch and off it in terms of results and as regards recruitment in terms of attracting new players and retaining the better ones already on the books. IMHO.

It's all well and good extrapolating the points total over 3 games but whether you take any of the last three seasons or calculate our points total from the last 46 games played all the evidence tends to suggest the manager is nowhere near good enough to deliver a genuine play off push. Could be wrong of course but it seems to me the proverbial case of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Perhaps we should try not training properly more often! Really wasn't expecting that, someone be it Mowbray or someone else really shook them up and I really really enjoyed it. I'd go as far as to say it's the best we've ever played under Mowbray. Terrible goal to concede after 1 min 17 s and the obvious thought was "here we go again" and heads could have dropped. However we gradually battled back and had the better of the rest of the first half and fully deserved our equaliser although it took a fortunate deflection. The second half was brilliant. We were like lightning on the break. Poveda was terrific (Where's that performance been?) Genuine wide men in their natural positions works. Whoever would have thought it? Further back Davenport and Travis were very good indeed and I thought Buckley had his best performance for the Club over 90 mins. In defence I love Wharton. I understand from someone who knows him he's Rovers through and through and I just think he does the basics you want from a defender. No frills but no messing either. Does what it says on the tin. I also think Wharton's so steady Lenihan looks better alongside him than anyone else. Only downside for me Edun. I think he's shocking defensively and is never a LB in a million years. Whether he could do a job in midfield remains to be seen, but is he any better than what we've already got.? Still want Mowbray gone before the next game but if he's still here by then, for God's sake man you've stumbled upon something that works, stick with it. Edit: And don't let Gallagher within a million miles of the starting line up. Mowbray out, Venus out, Waggott out. We caught a glimpse of what the future COULD be like today. Imo only under another manager and different management off the pitch as well though.

Have heard the same but I wouldn't hold too much store by it as I don't know if it originated from the same source. It looks to me like he's been trying everything he can to get sacked and paid off since the second half of last season but no matter what he does the bullet isn't forthcoming.

Be good to see Wharton back if he is playing. Send the Brighton lad back and save some money.

If 0-7 is when they're playing for the manager wouldn't like to see them when they're not. Stop fishing Gav.

Having seen him play, (twice) Why pay £5m for him at all regardless of any weaknesses in other areas of the pitch?

Voted. No need to guess which way. Says it all that Waggott is marginally more unpopular than Mowbray.

Well done. Let us know what response you get.

The only crumb of comfort I'm clinging to is that he may know he's history and this is a parting shot at the fans on the way out of the door.

Also reference to the "older gentlemen" who "lived through the glory years". Patronising arsehole. The reason we older fans can see right through him is not because of the Dalglish years but because of the pre Jack Walker years where we've seen proper managers whose shoes Mowbray isn't fit to lace like Furphy, Lee, Smith, Kendall and Mackay thrive on a financial shoestring. They never had tens of millions of pounds of owners backing and the luxury of running a wage bill of 187% to turnover like Mowbray has been able to do.

Spot on. We've been on Tony's "journey" now for four and a half years and find ourselves behind those Clubs who in comparative terms are barely out of the starting blocks and who have spent the tiniest fraction of what we have. What's he on about as well needing £100 or £200m to get promoted? He's already burnt his way through c£100m of the owners money over the last few years keeping the likes of Graham, Mulgrew, Bennett,Downing and Evans in clover.

I'd like the Fans Forum to start becoming relevant in the current climate and concentrate on real issues not the price of a pie, having to queue for a pint or a broken speaker in the Riverside etc. Surely all that type of trivia can be sorted with a phone call to the Club rather than waste limited and valuable face to face time with them. Questions to be raised: 1) Can Waggott definitively confirm that the recent transfer of the STC was merely an accounting exercise for FFP purposes and that if the Club was ever sold in the future the STC would pass as part of the sale free from any incumbrances? i.e mortgage etc. 2) What was the Club's view on the hard work spent in promoting the Sheffield United game being sabotaged by a Club record 0-7 home defeat three days prior? Why did the manager not deem it necessary to even apologise for such a display and why was he not sacked by 9a.m.the following morning on the back of it? 3) As if all that wasn't bad enough we also had players apparently "liking" the Club record defeat. Do the players have a formal code of conduct re their social media output and does the Club have a dedicated Internet manager to monitor players' output on social media and do they discipline players where appropriate? If not they're needed and one of the Club's army of analysts should be put to some actual practical use to enforce it.

We all know "it's only a job" to them and they don't support the Club per se but in any other walk of life how far would you get in your job if you had a high profile job at a Company that had just posted record annual losses, you had a mate who worked for a rival Company who'd been particularly successful over the same period, and you "liked" a post of his on social media celebrating their success?

Correct.

Yes, I'm aware, thanks for that. Merce has predicted Alex Neil is coming in imminently so often that twice every 6 months would suffice in this instance!

Do you know, not sure I agree. I came to this story relatively late and the more I think about it the more it makes my blood boil. It might seem like a little thing at first but on reflection I think it symbolises everything that is rotten and wrong with the mentality at the Club. Dack's a senior player at the Club and should be setting an example. He's made an error of judgement, fine, but when pulled up on it he should be apologising for his thoughtlessness and causing any offence. Not compounding the situation. You could also count the number of decent performances Bennett put in during five years at the Club on the fingers of one hand. Yet he was rewarded for nor performing with numerous new contracts and the symbolic role of Club Captain, a role he revelled in becoming the Club's self confessed cheer leader and tub thumper on social media. Yet he was the first to be all precious and complain if anyone pulled him up on social media about poor performances. And here he is popping up on social media taking the piss out of the Club as soon as he leaves! What chance did we have when he was here with someone like that "leading" us? So we have a manager describing a 0-7 Club record home defeat as just one of those things that happens and current players, a former Club Captain and other former players who seemingly find the situation amusing. For me the whole do the bare minimum holiday camp mentality started with Allardyce prioritising certain games and sacrificing others. That worked for him to a degree as his sole target was survival but it seems to me that the stench of mediocrity and culture of doing the bare minimum you can get away with has never left the Club even though since being in the Championship we've theoretically been operating under completely different parameters of trying to win enough games to achieve promotion. We need a new manager and CEO to come in and give the place the place a right good shake up from top to bottom. And set minimum standards and expectation levels.

I hope so, at least they're right every once in a while!