Can you not read what Waggott said today? He appeared to be claiming that the cost of building the new facility would be the same as or would more likely exceed the sale proceeds which the owners would have to make up. How does that "generate funds?"

That's it in a nutshell. Superp post which should be forwarded to the LT and Lancs Life.

Don't spoil the fantasy with facts. Those are the sort of points the local journos should be making instead of lapping it all up at face value.

It was so rare we heard from him I didn't know what he looked like for a long while. When I eventually saw a picture of him my gut reaction was "I wouldn't buy a car off that bloke". Totally unfair of course. But nothing he's done or said since has altered by opinion. Arthur Daley without any of the charm.

He hasn't been able to cite one genuine advantage the new facility would have over the ones we already have. And it's been admitted we'd lose a number of pitches. It's not improving the facilities it's downsizing them and making them worse.

We have been a bit unlucky with injuries but that's part of the game and nobody forced him to sign an unreliable injury prone 29/30 year old CB who had barely played in 2020 and a couple of 18 year old to play at CB when we have a 20 year old CB of our own we could have used. Other than that the challenges presented by Covid have been the same for every Club. And most Clubs don't have the financial cushion of multi billionaire owners bailing them out. Just covering his mate's back. A proper unbiased CEO would either have said nothing or admitted that results hadn't been good enough and left it at that. They certainly wouldn't be rolling out excuses for the manager.

Is that you Steve ? What are the advantages of the proposed scheme over what we currently have as outlined by you (sorry Waggott) today? What were you (sorry Waggott) doing job wise when your (sorry Waggott's) mate Tony recommended you (sorry Waggott) for the job?

Yup. Especially as he is claiming it's a non money earner, or even likely to cost the V's money. Also need to keep an eye on who would be developing the site.

If I were the owners and Waggott made that sort of ultimatum I also wouldn't be able to believe my luck either. "I say you sack one, you get one free!"

This sounds wholly believable to me, did anyone really expect anything any different once Mowbray was allowed to recommend and appoint his own boss, a guy he'd worked with before? It's a complete conflict of interest and obviously they're going to protect each other's backs ferociously, you wouldn't expect anything else. TBH after hearing Waggott attempt to explain the reasoning behind the Brockhall scheme, one with (according to him) no apparent advantages and only potential downside I'd far rather he went first before Mowbray. At least a new CEO would deal with Mowbray at arm's length, as it should be, and judge him on results. And someone will be benefitting from the Brockhall scheme, it hasn't been thought up for no reason.

About 11 or 12 years since I last went down but back then the facilities were magnificent, particularly the indoor training pitches. I doubt the buildings have deteriorated much since then. I suspect the "30 year old training ground" talk is a complete red herring designed to make them sound like dilapidated and completely outdated facilities from the 1950's.

What a load of BS. The only thing we've learnt from that is that he is driving the idea and is dragging everyone else fairly unenthusiastically behind him. He can't name one single benefit to it can he? Admits the existing sites are both Cat 1 status and appears to be claiming that the sale of the site would only break even compared to the costs of the new Training Centre or would more likely need topping up. I wonder if this is how he pitched it to the owners "I've had a great idea, we'll sell one of our training centres, knock down the other even though there's nothing wrong with either and build a new one which is no better and will entail losing a number of outdoor pitches. Oh, and you might have to stump up an additional few million as well." Does he actually think that everyone is THAT stupid? Even more proof (if any were needed) that this proposal needs fighting to the death. As he appears to be claiming that changing the Training grounds over for no apparent reason is a non profit scheme, extra scrutiny now needs to fall upon who would be developing the housing and what commissions would be flowing back to those on the ground at Ewood etc.

Can't tell if you're agreeing with me or yours is a "What did the Romans ever do for us" type reply. To counter that, 4 good signings in 4 seasons isn't that impressive and the key question is, "Are we significantly better off than when he arrived?" I'm not sure we are, you might say we could sell Dack and Armstrong and realise the proceeds but against that he's been handed £16m to spend on Dack, Armstrong, BB and SG. You'd hope anyone could turn a profit given that sort of funding. Also are the young players thriving because of or despite him? Don't think Lenihan is progressing and he certainly hasn't done Nyambe any favours. Raya, Chapman, Davenport, Buckley Magloire?

Let's not go overboard. He signed Dack, got us out of League 1 and signed Armstrong permanently. That's about it. Thereafter it's been extremely poor imo. Poor results and performances, poor transfer dealings, multiple contract extensions to the players that shouldn't have had them, even ones that had no prospect of playing, failing to tie the better players that did need extensions down etc etc.

He did ok, well even, in getting us promoted from League 1 at the first time of asking but you can't dine out on that forever and I think at Championship level he's been desperately poor both on the pitch and with the way he and his team have approached things like transfer dealings. It might be an age thing but I remember managers who didn't have a pot to piss in like Furphy, Lee, Smith, Kendal and Mackay way more favourably than him.

We're not a bloody charity, well we are, but we shouldn't be!. He should have been sacked two years ago (when he was patently out of his depth at Championship level) to avoid us being in the situation we're in now. Ditto twelve months ago and this season he should have gone in December to give us a chance of making the play offs this season. All that has gone and you can't change the past but the next best thing would be to get a new man in now and allow him to have rest of the season to assess the squad, weed out the deadwood and rebuild in summer - as others have mentioned Souness had the chance to do. Bollux to him having a ceremonial "lap of defeat" farewell tour whilst we lurch from one poor result to another and a dignified exit in the summer, far better managers than him have had to be dispensed with when things went sour, both here and at other Clubs.

It would be hugely satisfying if Waggott received the orders that he had to sack his mate tomorrow morning. But not half as satisfying as if Pasha was following up behind with P45's for Waggott and Venus as well.

This bollux about being on a "slow build" or "on a journey" is unravelling at a rapid rate of knots isn't it? TM averaging less points per game after seven transfer windows than he was during his 15 games with Coyle's squad. After a further £40 m worth of losses and umpteen millions spent on transfers loans and wages we're in exactly the same position as we were after our first season back in the Championship. Massively reliant on certain key players with contracts running down who seemingly won't sign new deals. Massively over-reliant on loanees, who in general are no better than what we had in the first place. Where's "the journey" going to end up I wonder?

Plus Palmer Chapman (twice) Davenport Trybull Downing who he never uses Johnson unfit and past it when he came The two loanee centre backs who unfortunately he does use........ That's thirteen?, (a full side) to be going on with. Sure there may be one or two more.

Odd isn't it? 0 points of of 15 and some people are worried DJ could do worse!

Knowing the players are capable of that makes our current level of performance even more unacceptable. It's not like they're terrible players that can't do it. Knew the usual sort of "How can we possibly expect to compete with Watford" line would be trotted out if we lost tonight. What about our record since the srat of December? That must be horrific. I'll look it up later.

At least he didn't miss the chance to advertise Armstrong to PL Clubs again. And Elliott isn't even our player. Rothwell was decent. But unlikely he'll hold down his place in the side with Tombola Tony in charge. I thought Brereton's performance was the brightest spot about tonight. No mention of him. Tone will be pissed off he had the temerity to score and he'll be back on the bench at the weekend. It really is looking grim if Mowbray stays isn't it?

Whose fault is it we have a young team?

Won't walk without a hefty pay off "by mutual consent". That'll be what he's angling for.

Pisses me off when he comes out with this garbage along the lines of "if 4 defeats on the bounce isn't good enough for them" then we'll bat on until told otherwise. Makes managing the Club sound like an absolute chore not a privilege.