roversfan99

Its only Ribeiro as a first teamer (and even he was a weird short term deal that then got extended) out of any of our players that have signed new contracts over the last 2 seasons. That is the fact. Go off on all the tangents you like to try and justify it, but that is not normal. Brittain, Travis, Dolan, Batth, Hyam, Weimann. And Tronstad also unsigned. But yes, just 3.

Again, I am saying what the decision IMO should have been. You are just taking everything literally and assuming that if the club did it, then its probably correct. Equally, replacing Travis with an injured loanee doesnt make sense.

It wasnt too good to turn down for Hyam. Maybe you could argue earlier in the window. But his value to us massively increased so late in the window. Take Guehi as an example. £40m was a great offer for someone who will otherwise leave for free. But they couldnt get a replacement so had to keep him. That £2.7m taken will be offset by a much greater risk of relegation. There wasnt clearly any chance of getting any of them to sign because we cant sort the contracts of current players. Which is a massive problem that undermines any other plans we have, and any other decisions we make. He played Travis in every game and he remained as his captain. Theres no suggestion that he was happy to move him on as if he had fallen behind in the "plan."

Offer better terms and also offer deals earlier. I know it is obvious that its not happening. We clearly arent offering competitive Championship wages hence why only Ribeiro has signed a deal in 2 years from our first team. And believe it or not, thats my grievance.

You are making massive assumptions, including assuming massive wage demands, and are also trying to pull the debate off onto tangents about individual players. Again, the worry is that we havent got a new deal sorted for any key player in years. Its not one or two, its EVERYONE. So that suggests that even if its true that we would have to "break our wage structure" to get any to sign. Then our wage structure is too restrictive to begin with. And it wont help that we wait so long to offer deals in the first place. You are fixated by this Ismael throwing him under the bus situation. Yes, I still think the same but its not very important in the grand scheme of things, its not the problem. Ismael had question marks over man management at previous clubs and with incidents like that and also the Pears one, I can see why. Obviously you after a blip are fully in defence of everything he does, but in this case as I said its not a big deal and not the problem so dont fixate over it.

It will work in reducing the wage bill. It wont help from a footballing perspective. Nothing has changed in terms of being able to sort out contracts. And I suspect you know that, even if you have now been trying to claim that Ismael just was happy to let them go anyway.

There is no way that he was happy to get rid of all of those players. Certainly if he has even a shred of competence. They are more than capable of signing players yes on really cheap wages from abroad. But again, we move away from the pattern. No one is signing contracts. Its not the odd player who has outgrown us or the odd one we want or are happy to discard. Its beyond that. You speak as if the club hae changed for the better.

Gueye is worse than Gallagher although I am not sure why he gets a mention. I would be pleased if I never saw Gueye in a Rovers shirt again because he weakens the team so much when he plays. Thats all my point was. I do sort of get the logic especially if its only a loan offer to keep temporarily due again to lack of recruitment but even if he stays I hope he isnt ever needed. Sort of get the point about potentially being short but its not comparable to losing Hyam who not only was a key player but we are genuinely ridicilously short in that position without him.

You are just making figures up to defend the club. A club that cant get any of its current first team players to sign over such an extended period, that pattern suggests a huge problem and has massively undermined the whole summer as many expected it to do. We dont have time to wait for the potential replacement for our captain if hes out for ages. Travis was a box to box midfielder and a bloody effective one at this level. Lets not pretend his departure was part of a tactical overhaul.

Its not the same and you know it. You are purposely avoiding the fact that we have become totally unable to get current first team players to sign new deals. The only one in two years was Ribeiro who initially signed on a strange short term deal and then extended it. Its not normal. If you think that what we have seen suggests that contractual issues have been left in the past and we have learnt our lessons, then I suspect that you are in a very small minority.

I am against that, but I am more against being totally unable to agree new deals with ANYONE. We have lost our best players and over half a team because of it. The odd one, fine, you sell and replace. Impossible to adequately replace that many. Im not sure its that smart unless he comes back very soon and is good because theres a big hole where Travis was.

Yes, but still they havent managed to start sorting players contracts out. You seem to be of the opinion that they have learnt their lessons. Until they start sorting contracts out then ill assume that they havent learnt anything. And it will undermine anything we are supposed to be building.

Theres also no way that Ismael can claim to be happy about the summer window. He said he only wanted 6 or 7 and to build on what we had. We signed 10 and still are short such are the players that left. He wanted to keep Travis, Brittain, Hyam, Dolan, Batth and Weimann. None stayed. He wanted to keep Hyam and wasnt concerned about him going 2 days before the deadline. He went and with no replacement. He wanted 0 loans, we got 2.

But we tried to sign him, he failed a medical, then 6 weeks later or whatever it was, he came in again, presumably had more checks, and still a couple of weeks later we were none the wiser regarding when he might be able to play. The TGH loan seemed to be a desperate attempt to bring in another body on deadline day, contrary to Ismael having said 2 days prior that he didnt expect any loans. Maybe it with Hyam going and just feeling the need to get someone in, maybe Baradji had since been seen to and the news wasnt good. Either way, its a bit of a mess. Tavares wasnt signed as a direct replacement for Travis and has not settled in well early on. Baradji maybe was but any sense in such a deal will lie in when he is actually fit, we need him now, we cant afford to wait ages and even when he recovers he will then need to get up to speed. And TGH seemed like a late desperate attempt to add an extra body.

Be a big fan all they want, hes no use if hes not available.

So we have to watch Gueye in a Rovers shirt again. Wonderful.

Jimmy Dunne is definitely not better than Callum Brittain. Pereira has a far better CV but I dont think he is better now. Not a regular starter for Leicester anymore. Either way, we will miss Brittian and Alebiosu as encouraged as I have brrn by him will almost certainly not be at that level, it would be unfair to expect him to be.

The blame undoubtedly goes above Ismael but I do also think that he is a far inferior manager to what has gone before. Which just compounds the issue.

A strange one shrouded in mystery. I get that he was clearly one that was wanted but if he isnt fit any time soon then it is such a bizarre bit of business.

How do you know that there has been no in fighting? He was expecting to keep key players and only need to make 6 or 7 signings to build on that. Sure he is buzzing to lose all of the players we have and to see Hyam flogged without replacement on deadline day. If hes not had a moan about that behind closed doors then he really is all about not rocking the boat to stay on that nice long contract he wont get at another Championship club.

Who is? Brittain was 2nd in the league last season behind Bogle, maybe Roberts had a shout, but neither are in the league now. Van Ewijk is up there for sure. Young is 40, he probably wont even be a regular at Ipswich. No way is he better now. Pereira was better in the past but again his day has gone and he is mainly a sub. Roerslev hasnt shown he is better than Brittain either. He is working his way down the list now he has left.

Defensively, we look really weak, in terms of being at the top level. Stones and Walker were stand outs of the defence we had, they were key for Man City amidst their dominance. Stones just simply cant stay fit anymore, his involvement at City in the last couple of years has become massively reduced as a result. Walker was so important but his main asset has gone hence why he got bombed out and left to Burnley. Shaw was also important and his body has long since given up on him. The likes of Maguire and Trippier werent at that level but they themselves are out of contention. What we have now is really underwhelming. Rice is a really good player but finding a suitable partner to sit and protect the defence and use the ball well is a problem. Wharton is the obvious choice but until he is allowed to step up, is fit to step up and proves it then we cant assume. Anderson did well today but it was Andorra and im not convinced that he is a holding midfielder at all. We do obviously have some good players in attack but as we agree there is a big imbalance. Our best 2 players are probably Bellingham and Palmer and if you try and squeeze them in together, then one would be out of position. All the options out wide beside Saka are far from being top class.

Tomori only started 19 games last season in the league, White predominantly is a sub full back for Arsenal and Hall seems to be 3rd choice in the full back position at Newcastle. Unfortunately, we have a really weak choice in terms of defenders across the back line. We did have a solid defence but it has gone with time.

Surely we can replace Gueye with a traffic cone?

Of course we will miss Brittain, he is the best right back in the league. Tavares has had shockers in both of the home games. Looked decent against the mighty Bradford though. Baradji has the feel of someone whose whereabouts will be still unknown come December. We didnt manage to get that pace in attack that we were so desperate for. Although considering that we have stripped the squad of experience, have nowhere near enough defensive cover and still big question marks over goals, it seems not as big of a deal.