This seemed like an appropriate thread to resurrect…

2,000 would be a hugely disappointing turnout, it’d be a similar number to what we took to Stanley. It’d also be very damaging to any future case we put forward that “cheap tickets = bigger attendances”. To be clear, 10,000 would be absolute an absolute dream world scenario. Half that would be a success. There’s already some massive positives I’ll take from this whatever the attendance is. Due to the generosity of people on this board and in the wider fanbase, some kids will be experiencing their first ever trip to Ewood, and families who are really struggling at present will be able to have an afternoon out at the football.

For me there are a few aims… There’s always criticism from within the fanbase that our own fanbase is splintered, and there are “too many groups”. Actually I don’t think we have enough groups in all honesty, some more organised regional supporter groups like we used to have would be good! We’ve tried to bring together the various open member groups which each have their own area of interest and focus, along with the main supporter communities and content creators to show the club, and the fanbase, that we can all work together and provide something good. From a Trust point of view, we want to give something to our existing members and provide potential new members with a reason to join up. We need to up our membership numbers and to do so need to raise our profile, get out there, and engage with and listen to the fans. From a personal point of view there are loads of little things I’ve moaned about. The scrapping of the printed programme, the same old dull music pre-match, the fact Ewood is deserted 5 minutes after the full time whistle… I’m happy we are being able to try something different! Promotion for the event and advertising of the game will ramp up over the next week, both from the supporters end and the clubs. 10,000 is blue sky thinking for sure, but we want to see a bump on the number the club would ordinarily be expecting, we hope the feedback is good to. Specifically in response to @Mattyblue, I don’t feel we have made ourselves hostages to fortune. I do feel that we (Trust, BRFCS, Rovers Chat, and other groups) have more faith in our fanbase than the people in charge of the club do. With many of our discussion with them, the challenge presented to us has often been to prove their is an appetite for some of the things we’ve discussed. We’re trying. @chaddyrovers there will be the footy curry and bar stalls open around the fanzines, along with the Sodexo offerings in the ground (hopefully with some deals on). Is there anything specific you’d like to see? No promises, we’re bang in the middle of festival season so it might be tricky, but we can certainly ask the question.

You’ll have to wait til next week

That’s an amazing response in just a couple of hours!! Thanks to everyone who has reached out to Josh. The Trust also have funds allocated for this purpose - we really want it to be a day for the supporters with nobody being priced out. To echo what Josh said in his earlier post, the success of the day will be judged in no small part by the club by the number of fans in attendance. Please get behind this if you can, and have a word with your friends who might not normally attend. We want to make it a really great day… plus if today is anything to go by, the footy will be well worth a watch too!

A lot of U21s who weren’t on the published list have also gone to Austria apparently. Steve Waggott told me this afternoon that JDT has taken 50 players.

It all depends on our remaining transfer business. Buy a good centre forward and keep Adam Wharton and JRC and there’s no reason we can’t get promoted.

Just got home. Nice to have football back, and I know it’s only pre-season but that wasn’t great. Fist game we were pretty comfortable. Phillips was absolutely flawless. Won everything in the air and on the deck, good in possession, looked more than physically capable. Needs keeping round the first team and on todays showing will soon be the first name on the team sheet. Pickering took up the JRC role of coming inside, did it pretty well too. He was up against a tricky winger who went off injured who looked like he might cause us some problems. Szmodics dropped deep a lot and made very intelligent forward passes. Tronstad looks a player, very neat and tidy, gets stuck in, can play on the half turn and get us forward. Hyam was typically solid, Buckley didn’t really shine and was sloppy at times. Brittain had a quiet game but was wasteful in possession and didn’t exploit the acres of space he had in front of him. The big issue is that front three. We will do nothing with Gallagher, Vale and Markanday. Gallagher was Gallagher… should’ve done better with a couple of headers, kept coming short for a pass into feet rather than being a nuisance in the box, didn’t do much. Markanday made a couple of crowd pleasing tackles and broke away, but his end product was severely lacking. Both him and Vale were rubbish in the first period, Vale is not an option out wide at all, that rumoured loan is the correct decision. Second game was worse. We looked all over the place for large periods and the young lads really struggled. I was looking forward to seeing O’Grady-Macken, but he was anonymous. Zak Gilsenan was a marked man and got badly fouled and kicked a few times and it seemed to force him into his shell… he’s a good looking bugger and should probably wear shin pads against league 2 trialists in future. Batty struggled too but did grow into the game, he was a bit unfortunate as he kept looking for an out ball down the wing but nobody was there. Our formation was confused and ragged. I thought Garrett looked good, perhaps not being the kid of the group has helped, he looked more confident on the ball. Dolan has hit the gym hard. He’s still got that explosive burst of pace, but he’ll still be outdone over long distances, he won’t be knocked off the ball easily though and was pretty lively. Wharton started pretty well but got done badly for their second. Leonard didn’t shine, but he didn’t get a lot of service. JRC looked a cut above, proper classy player. We looked a lot more cohesive when he went further forward and got involved. At present he’s probably our best bet to replace Brereton (until Sigurdsson is ready at least). Final thoughts… every corner was short and shite! Kaminski looked the better of the keepers. The crowd were getting really wound up and were loudly urging players to shoot on sight, whether our reluctance to get a shot off is down to tactical choice or personnel, we will have to see. It will have been as obvious to Broughton as it was to everyone else we need some attacking players in.

I’ve got 2 spares for the Stanley game if anyone is looking for tickets One now available

A few points of order on this thread… Rovers colours are halves, and halves should be the opposite way round on the back. Bristol Rovers play in blue and white quarters. Horizontal stripes are called hoops.

Collar is weird, sleeves are right. The light blue and the red sponsor makes the women’s kit look too busy. Get rid of the devils head in the men’s and it’d look miles better. I think I really like the Rovers FC pattern. Halves need reversing on the back.

From a user point of view, premium is absolutely brilliant! I couldn’t go back to the ad version now, well worth the small fee for the convenience. Trust me regulars, you won’t regret it!

Just a reminder of our AGM tonight… All welcome! Come and hear what we’ve been doing including updates on the fan led review and our meetings with the club, and learn about our exciting plans for the next year. We’d love your input! Plus there’s a chance to win a match day hospitality package for those in attendance!

Josh King

I don’t think Waggott or indeed anyone else at the club even attempt to claim that our season tickets offer good value for money. They have been pretty open about the fact they have financial targets to hit and doing so is their absolute priority. The idea is to charge as much as the core market will bear, it’s not to increase support or provide value. Of course people in the ground don’t think tickets are too expensive for them. If they did they wouldn’t be there! But they are in a ground that is 2/3 empty.

Nothing at all wrong with being proud to be a Rovers fan, that point still stands today even though most of what we’ve got to be proud of is historic. I don’t think it’s particularly loyal to deny things that are blatantly wrong at the club. Would someone who supported Steve Kean have been more loyal than those who protested against him? Is supporting a pricing structure that is steadily eroding our gates and in turn our fanbase really loyal to BRFC?

I’m not even sure they really believe it. There’s a reluctance from some to say anything that might be deemed remotely critical, they wear their “positive” badge with real pride. I think there’s also an element of people being a bit flash. They want to make sure everyone is aware the money isn’t an issue for them to find, then they couple this with a complete lack of anything resembling empathy.

Hi Paul, firstly good to see you on here and hope you are keeping well mate! It’s been a big problem of late that a lot of people aren’t really sure what we’re about, there’s a hell of a lot of misapprehension out there. I’d say the Supporters Trust has gone through several different phases since its inception, in very simple terms it’s looked something like this: Year 1 - Get a mandate from the supporter base that a trust was required and launch Year 2-5 - Focus on gaining an ownership share Year 5-7 - Openly opposing the ownership Year 8-now - Building a working relationship with the club and acting as a critical friend Onward - Push for supporter representation through a shadow board So it’s not completely surprising that there is some confusion if people aren’t always aware, and our comms need to be better. Ultimately the aim has to be to increase supporter influence, our approach has historically changed to reflect the current reality. The Supporters Trust has its fair share of critics (just like BRFCS, the action group, Rovers SAS, or any other collective) but there’s also a great deal of apathy. Plenty of people tell us they are glad we are here, they support the idea, but not enough to pay a tenner a year. We could have carried on with a steadily dwindling membership base, but this rebrand is part of trying to become more accessible and inclusive to all supporters, so I’m not entirely unhappy with the Facebook group comparison of the name. We’ll be more visible and provide more to our members which will hopefully see our numbers grow and more people become involved. The ideal would be to be able to tell the club we are thousands of members strong rather than hundreds.

It’s definitely a concern, and certainly a bad thing. Hopefully given time the association will fade. Part of the rationale was that the regular users on here will be at the very least familiar with the Supporters Trust, and there’s be an opportunity to quickly and directly engage with anyone who was concerned. Here’s a few of the recent reasons we’ve had for people not joking: ”No point yet. I’m glad you’re there for if we go into administration, if we do I’ll join straight away” ”(Insert name of any of several previous board members) doesn’t represent me!” ”Its not the right time to protest” ”Not until you start putting coaches on for kids of all backgrounds” “I can’t because I’m already a member of a different group” Too much of our collective time has been put into preaching to the converted, maybe converted isn’t even the right word, as a lot of the time we are interacting with people who are pretty aware of what the Supporters Trust is, but for whatever reason still aren’t members. To be successful we need to grow the membership base pretty dramatically. We’ve got some things in the pipeline to start offering existing an new members some real tangible benefits, hopefully we can kick off a period of renewed interest.

Yes, completely agree Josh. I raised the issue loudly. I can assure you there is no crossover at all. Hopefully the phrase can be reclaimed and stand for something better. We felt there was a need for a change due to the often incorrect assumptions of what the trust do, and the confusion with the community Trust had started to become problematic. For all the traction we’ve gained over the last decade plus, there’s also a lot of opposition. We looked back on the outcome of the public meeting at King Georges hall a few years ago as a missed opportunity. The new Trust led initiative of “We Are Rovers” was a great idea in theory but it wasn’t capitalised on at all. We didn’t want to go down the exact same route - (we aren’t at WAR, we see ourselves as a critical friend to the club), and we decided to include the word THE very deliberately. WE are - that’s every single supporter, whether you went to QEGS in the 60’s or not. We want to be far more inclusive and attract people of all different ages and backgrounds. Currently our board is pretty indicative of the bulk of our membership - middle aged white males. We have to improve this. THE Rovers is part of our commitment to celebrate our heritage. No club in the world beats us in that department and we want the club to celebrate it more. In terms of the renaming, we remain registered as BRSIT CBS Ltd, we’ve had to move towards using “The Blackburn Rovers Supporters Trust” in our Comms of late anyway, and will probably continue to do so. We have also had something of a breakthrough in terms of our communications with the club, and HOPEFULLY we can start to see supporter influence growing. Our next step is pushing hard for the club to form a Shadow Board made up of supporters. A new name seemed fitting as we enter a new period in the Trust’s history.

His tirades were a sticking point for a while on the rebrand. We decided to go ahead in the end, he’s not in any way affiliated.

Thanks John

It states in the minutes that the Her Game Too presentation was attached to the minutes but it doesn’t appear to be uploaded. I’d be keen to see that, please could you ask the club to add it?

Just received an email telling me to use my old season ticket card. Well worth that £2 booking fee. Having said that last time they posted one out to me it was stuck in an envelope with my brothers and posted out to his address rather than mine, and that cost me a quid.

Yes, I suspect that was the plan. It hasn’t worked anywhere near as well as they expected/hoped. I’m pushing Waggott on a rethink, even more so since he told me that the players are on at him to get more fans in the ground, and specifically Hyam constantly mentions running out of the tunnel to see a wall of fans directly across from you.