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You could argue that if you’re a centre half and you don’t miss one game in 50 for injury or suspension - maybe you’re not putting yourself about as much as you should be ?

I hope VI has the confidence and conviction to not play Tyjon if he doesn't deem it beneficial to the team in the short term. I've made my feelings on this clear, I have no interest in blooding him this year to improve him on the chance that he signs a contract, especially if it's at the potential expense of Championship points. Sign and play. Otherwise, best of luck.

How many “ crunch “ matches did we fail to win ? I’m going back a few seasons now.

A left footed player on the left hand side, who’d have thought it ?

The game passed him by. I’m still waited for that “ Wow “ moment that tells you there’s a special talent there. Wharton took me about 5 minutes.

He missed a sitter in the second half when it was 2-2. If I was scout for a lower division league team looking to loan a left back in January I’d be looking somewhere else.

Never quite sure what this competition proves apart from the young uns are miles off. Rochdale started one player from game at weekend so we are basically playing a reserve side.

Decent first half, poor poor second. We never came out after half time. Also we never looked like coming back after going 3-2 down. We lost too many 50-50 balls. The subs were way too late, we were getting over run in central midfield after 55 minutes. Nobody is going to be knocking on the managers door tomorrow asking even for a place on the bench. Tijon ? The game passed him by, he’s certainly not an No 9 in a million years. Although he did win the John Buckley award for the most pointless booking in the game. They looked like a team that is used to losing to me. I expected more from Batty. Joseph came on too late and never got a pass.

Doherty always full of energy and takes players on. Nice to watch Joseph for the first time. Looks a unit but not offered any service here.

pretty sure you can have 3/4/5 (unsure on exact number) overage players Doherty just did more in his first minute than Mullarkey-Matthews did all game

However we've improved tremendously between the sticks so it'll probably roughly even out. I also think Hyam's best ability was availability (50 consecutive starts is a heck of an effort). He was a mid-table CB - too soft and quiet for mine.

Some shocking defending on display, though. Batty put in the softest challenge and Dale get time in the box to set up a point blank header. 3-2

I think that was down to the manager more than anything.

I take it there's some age rules attached to this fixture? Would have been a good game to get De Neve and Gueye minutes - assume you literally have to be U21?

Litherland looks very, very good breaking from defence. Chris Smalling comes to mind

Despite signing 10,only 3 new players started on Saturday. Obviously injuries and suspensions will be a factor, but it will be interesting going forward to see how that changes. It will maybe be a good indication of just how successful the window was. I'm more intrigued than anything, beyond Dolan and Britain, can't say I'm too fussed about the ones who've left.

Think they'll be taking Tyjon off shortly, he looks injured.

I do wonder how Mullarkey-Matthews found himself anywhere near the first team squad in pre season, even given our lack of wide players at the time, Doherty (who is currently on the bench) has much more about him Purely because he is a big lad for a wide player and quite physical?

Hopefully Joseph gets off the bench to play that role alongside him in the 2nd half

He's not a 9. Or at least not without a big strong partner to look after him and win the long balls for him.

He easily ran in behind getting on the end of a long ball before. Didn't know what to do with the ball though and tamely passed it back to the GK.

I'm not one for being harsh on players, particular young lads, but I'm beginning to wonder what the hype is about Tyjon. Really haven't seen anything yet that makes me think "wow" . Probably go on to get a hat trick now , but have to say I think he's a long way off first team football. A loan may do him good. Like young Funny, got a nice left foot but you do worry about him physically as well, needs to bulk up a bit.

Well aware of the point you made, the point I made in response to it suggested it may be the role he was being asked to play He did pick up a couple of injuries on his loan last season, so possible that has impacted himt. But until he is forced into chasing the ball or a man at full pelt, we won't know for sure either way.

Two good goals by us. Tyjon is playing upfront. Dunn's son is playing, so are Batty, Powell, those two CBs (Litherland and Aitchenson?) and Wood.

The point I was making is that Battys major asset was his speed, has his speed gone or are we just not using it ?