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Commenting on here is the equivalent of chatting to people down the pub. Its a safe space to give opinions as we go, positive or negative, game by game. The fans in the ground were simply not on his back today, the whole team was backed throughout even at 1 down. Even if you heard people muttering to the person next to them, thats basically on par with on here/down the pub. If you think the opinions you quoted are wrong, or irrational, then fine. If you think people should totally withold opinion until the player has been here for a period of time, again thats fine, although that only seems to work one way, as if a player starts well, take Alebiosu, you dont get people shutting them down by saying hold off, he might turn out to be rubbish in time. But none of the above means that the players wont be backed in the ground. Im not having that Gudjohnsen hasnt been backed in the ground. The aspect of your opinions that I dont agree with is that he isnt being backed. He is, and even if people criticise him either on here, down the pub or even muttering to the person next to him, thats not the same. Ive never seen the problem with discussing a player no matter how early he is into his time here, good or bad. Its ultimately based on first impressions. Take Miroshita, his performance v Watford in his first start got widespread praise, hes been invisible since. Sometimes a first impression will be wrong, thats fine, but it doesnt mean people shouldnt give them, IMO.

Even more depressing, the ones that were good were forced out, quit cos they could not stand the shit shiwnthat was Venkies and their monkies.

You nailed it.

I've been impressed with how Cantwell has got more engaged and comitted as the situation at Rovers got more difficult. The opposite to what I expected. But maybe he is a player who is inspired by trying to dig the team out of a hole. He doesn't look like a player who is looking to get out. Part of that he probably knows he's crashed out of several clubs now so needs to redeem himself to some extent to get his career to move forward. Some of his close control and passing today was really top drawer. I could take or leave him last year, but this year he looks very very good. On why Gueye hasn't been given a chance - my guess is Gueye is not a good at sticking to a managers tactical instructions (particularly pressing), in terrible form and is demotivated and difficult to work with. Understandably this really doesn't work for Ismael who therefore won't play him and would rather swap him out of the club for someone who does what he wants, and they tried in the summer. That didn't come to fruition so Gueye is hanging around. What is obvious if we are going to get anything out of Gueye we are going to have to adapt the system to him a bit. I don't think Ismael is the sort of guy who has that flexibility unfortunately imo. He's more "my way or the high way".... So expect him to get a few minutes here or there and then leave in January. Shame as I reckon the right sort of manager would get a lot out of him. Big Sam for one. Would get him motivated, find the right way to use his physical dominance etc.

The fact we're having this debate speaks volumes! I was too young to remember Jim Iley, so for me it's Ince. But, hold my beer........

What irritated me today and leads me to believe we are just not very football savvy and that our leaders aren't too clever. We had 4ft 9 attackers up against 6ft 15 behemoths in Stokes middle defence. So knowing this what do we do? Send in high looping balls to the middle, just meat and drink for Stoke allows them time too. Surely low or lowish and hard is the way to go preferably in an area that has the defenders turning tontheir goal. Similar to the cross that was just too far ahead of Gudjohnsen so he was not able to get to. That ilk of cross. These are the types of crosses that give big defenders fits and allow drop downs, force mistakes and 2nd balls for our lil demons to get on to. This should not be hard but it is alien to our lot. Someone mention the same about Millers throws, yes, without BigMac we just can not win those high arcing balls.

I think they will hang a for sale sign round Whartons neck too. Hence the contract bump and slow comeback.

Was a difficult one for sure, he was also in oerfect oosition tonscore but the cross in to him was dog shit and he could not get there a yard and a half further back and he's on the scoresheet.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here? Fans (in the ground and on here) are already on his back after about a game and a half. I heard someone insist he was a dud 30 minutes in. Spreading negativity about a player when they've hardly seen them play isn't backing them - neither is writing insulting comments online like we've seen tonight. Some of the reactions to Gudjohnsen are irrational, too soon and are well beyond being critical, so I'm glad the people making them aren't anywhere near the training ground. My only real point was we're guilty of trying to judge players too soon... it's a fair and reasonable point. Certainly feels it since some are already ruling him out. Szmodics should be enough to make everyone think twice. Brereton too.

We missed a trick not starting him immediately after his first two sub appearances, he looked sharp and high on confidence seems to have ebbed with the wait.

We should be a good proposition, been there done that and were holding our own in the top league until these pretenders came along. Should show any potential owner what we are capable if under good stewardship it's just these idiots will never sell. Their exit strategy is to manage us down till there is no club left to own. Another Bury?

Not a bad result to say that we played the first half with 9 men, Gudjohnsen & Morishita were completely anonymous and ineffective (tbh that’s probably being generous to TGH, so it was actually more like 8.5 men) I was sat throughout the first half thinking that, if this is the way that the manager wants us to play - long balls into (and more often than not, over) the front man, then Gueye would be a much better option than either Gudjohnsen or Yuki - I don’t understand why he’s not been given a chance. And, if I was Cantwell I’d be banging down my agent’s door demanding he get me out of here - he is so far above the rest of the team it’s almost laughable. And I’m not convinced that it’s that he’s improved massively from last season, I think it’s more that the rest of the squad has just got so much worse. Unfortunately I can’t see anything other than us going down with a whimper this season. I was talking with some dingle mates tonight and I think the only interest this season, for any of us, is which of us gets a lower points total in our respective leagues.

So there was no danger then? did not lead to a goal like so many of Ainsleys did. Not the finished article but better than Pears by some way

We have slashed the wage budget and brought in more transfer funds than we spent.

That TGH is impressing me some and a Mc? whose name I can not spell has shown SOME promise but Alebiosu is a good signing, TGH streets ahead if Tavares and looks to be enjoying himself here. Cantwell good, really good at times. Seems like the opposition like to try to kick him out of games early and he gets little protection from refs. Shits out of some 50-50's on song he's a good watch.

Once? Pears does that regularly Toth once in a while ALL keepers will Toth generally get's it to the side. Even if you are right that is it. Toth is better with his angles, coming out, catching, kicking, shot stopping mostly, quite a bit younger than Pears too isn't he. But if you want a keeper who never parries a ball into the danger area I'm afraid there isn't one and Pears did that on a more regular basis than Toth. Aso Toth HAS even improved in his ti.e here Pears? Well he's as shit today as he's always been, showed no improvement ither than a short spell where he did fairly well but the the bottom seemed to drop out Have we seen a Wednesday style blunder from Toth yet, Ainsley entertained us with more than one in huge huge games too, so Rev, roll one for me mate.

Oh Rev cone off it, course it could turn but we would have conceded at least 3 with Pears today, one where Toth came out to clear the ball Pears would have still been on the six yard line. There is clear daylight between the two in terms of ability, at the moment Toth is streets ahead of Pears. I am flabbergasted you can even suggest different.

He is a good one not even his best performance against us today.

Dead cert isn't it?

Your point was about backing him, getting behind him and not getting on his back. Even if you disagree with the opinion you shared or other opinions, it doesnt mean that the poster or indeed anyone doesnt back him when he puts on the shirt.

i expect a pro footballer to be able to trap a football,wether he`s not match fit or getting used to a new country,it`s a basic fundamental skill,thats twice in a week where he`s completely ****** up a goalscoring chance,overall he was`nt to bad on tuesday,today he was absolutely minging

You're confusing critical with being completely unreasonable. I too think he should have scored.

Again. That comment on a messageboard does not prove that the poster is not behind the player. You are confusing being criticial of a player on here with not being behind him.

Well those are sadly the options we have until Baradji is fit. I dont think Montgomery has had enough mins in centre midfield to form much of an opinion yet. But i would only bring him in if TGH or Tronstad are unavailable (which will happen soon given the number of games we have coming up).

Let's not pretend now. I've read... "Gueye has more footballing ability in his big toe than Gudjohnson has in his entire body." "Losing patience with Gudjohnsen". It's pathetic.