How do we know they didn't?

I think round one is regionalised (north and south)

Yea I was 2XL last season and it's a 2XL now. Like for Like

They'd already spent £30m, I'm guessing they expected more than a 21st place finish. (Disclaimer, I don't know the full in and outside of their business)

Burnley away........Oh wait - can't get them in the 1st. Wrexham away then.

It isn't standard stuff to have lists of players you know you can't afford or have any real chance or intention of signing.

Brentford Fc

Just as a bit of fun, with next Thursdays Fixture release and the Carabao Cup First round Draw (also on the Thursday), I thought we could play a little game of... Guess the draw for Round 1 of the Carabao Cup. 1 answer only, the winner gets to try on @Herbie6590 glasses at the first home game of the 25/26 season! Good luck 😄

As ridiculous as it is, this "theory" has to be applied to every match of every tournament that has ever been played, ie not just England . According to this "theory ", one side has been lucky in every match which has ever been played throughout history . That's how mental it is.

Doesnt mean that the decision was correct. I mentioned before about a growing trend of data nerds overruling managers who actually know what intangibles are requires to build successful teams. Xg and the rest of it wont factor that in. I know you will say "but thats how football is now" but I am questioning whether its always a good thing. Wilder is a bell end. I dont get why you are so personally invested in Cleverley to the point where you angrily wish teams that sack him to be relegated and hope he does well at his new club rather than share the ambivalence that everyone else will have.

Hull were 22nd on appointment, which is what I said, the rest of it are your embellishments. So no Chaddy rabbit hole for me to fall into at half 10 on a school night… nice try though 👍 👌

Plus what you haven't factored in new owners and that tend to lead to a change in the dugout most times plus they want a data lead approach in recruitment. Didn't realise you were big Chris Wilder. I stand my comments about the Cleverley sacking at Watford. Hope he does well at Plymouth. Chance for him to build something there

I’d love a nice old school venkys style ambition story. Ronaldinho style rovers in for Adam Wharton return, offer £5m not that we’d have £5m to spend, and it clearly would be laughed out the building but to some fans…. “Jackson says we are putting bids in so it must mean we have money to spend”

He was appointed on Friday but did not take charge of the Saturday game at home to Rovers, they lost. When he took official charge of his first game they were 24th in the leagues. Those are facts Matty 👌👍

He was nowhere near the standard, that was evident when he did play. (To all but rigger who will be expecting Dolan to be playing in the Conference next season)

Glad he has a deal in place. Feel like he never really got the chance here, do think he offered something going forward and could have been useful.

If you read what I actually posted ‘when he took over’, it wasn’t ‘after he’d had his first game’ Try reading first before you try and be a clever dick.

Im talking about from the quarters onwards. Before that, winning your group is a big factor that is in your control. A quarter final against Sweden and a semi final against Croatia. A quarter final of Ukraine, a semi final against Denmark and a final against Italy. A quarter final against Switzerland and a semi final against Holland. The exception was a quarter final against France. Overall, they are runs to the final through no control of our own that we would have absolutely taken before the draw was made. One thing I keep saying is you can be fortunate with the uncontrollables ie the fixtures but also still consider it an achievement. I said that Southgate did well and has a good tournament record, consistently beating decent/good but not great teams in knockout football is still impressive. But as soon as you mention the word luck, it seems to touch a nerve and people see it as an attempt to totally discredit anything that Southgate has done. The whole point stems from comparing different managers. Sven underachieved, Southgate didnt, but you arent comparing like for like when we had quarter finals against Brazil and Portugal x 2 under him.

when he took over for his first game which was 1-1 Championship - Overview: Matchday 20 24/25 | Transfermarkt

Anybody on here who believes we bid for that player needs their heads looked at

Merely surprised that a manager who got 92 points in 46 games has been sacked but disgusted and wishing relegation upon a team that sacked a manager who oversaw the worst second half of a season in the whole division.

It is the same with every international manager because they all play by the same rules (we will ignore seeding and group rankings as it doesn’t suit the narrative). So by this token unless that nation has beat sides that roversfan99 consider elite their manager has been lucky Took a while to get there I suppose

So we went for a player who isnt interested in a move to the Championship and bid 40% of his asking price? Yep, sounds about right.

a) determined by results that we didnt control! You take the Millwall comparison that was pointed out. It was results that led to them playing lower league opposition all the way to the FA cup final. Whether the draw was pre determined is irrelevant. b) you asked me earlier if it applies both ways and I literally said that Germany in the last 16 after winning our group and also France as early as the quarters were both examples of bad luck.

They were 22nd when he took over… they finished 21st. Survival was obviously the name of the game and they did it, but not exactly some miracle worker.