2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[RoversClitheroe]

9 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

At 29 years of age with more than 200 appearances in the Championship, you would think Hyam is more than capable of being consistent in his performances, able to provide leadership and help out the younger players like Carter with his experience. What I've seen of him is that he's not a leader, an inconsistent performer and thus becomes a liability in defence if he's partnered with a younger defender. At Coventry, he had McFadzean who provided that leadership. Can't carry a player like that until he retires; he's taking up (reportedly) a salary around 18K per week but is not showing enough to earn it. 

Spot on.

[BankEnd Rover]

Excuse my naivety on this, but if the rumours of baradji failing a medical are true then is it not normal for a club to try again in let's say a few weeks? Can the club not negotiate with the seller to maybe drop the price and add more onto let's say a sell on or something? 
 

I've seen a report this morning about Celtic needing to add depth and may look at re-visiting the situation further down the line.

Edited Sunday at 10:46 by BankEnd Rover

[roversfan99]

11 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

At 29 years of age with more than 200 appearances in the Championship, you would think Hyam is more than capable of being consistent in his performances, able to provide leadership and help out the younger players like Carter with his experience. What I've seen of him is that he's not a leader, an inconsistent performer and thus becomes a liability in defence if he's partnered with a younger defender. At Coventry, he had McFadzean who provided that leadership. Can't carry a player like that until he retires; he's taking up (reportedly) a salary around 18K per week but is not showing enough to earn it. 

Hes not inconsistent, he has had 2 full seasons of consistent performances.

I dont get how when Carter comes in, who is hardly a youngster himself now, and performs poorly coinciding with an overall poorer defence, he gets no criticism and it all goes to Hyam for not leading him through it.

He has done well with Batth, well with Ayala, well with Wharton, well in a back 4, well in a back 3, but has been worse when Carter who himself hasnt played well in the last 2 years has come in. Makes no sense to pin all that on Hyam.

[Forever Blue]

7 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

At 29 years of age with more than 200 appearances in the Championship, you would think Hyam is more than capable of being consistent in his performances, able to provide leadership and help out the younger players like Carter with his experience. What I've seen of him is that he's not a leader, an inconsistent performer and thus becomes a liability in defence if he's partnered with a younger defender. At Coventry, he had McFadzean who provided that leadership. Can't carry a player like that until he retires; he's taking up (reportedly) a salary around 18K per week but is not showing enough to earn it. 

He was player of the season on his first season with us. He didn’t have an experienced partner then. He suffered like everyone else during the final few months of JDTs reign. It took him  long time to recover from that, confidence-wise.

Last season he looked a lot sharper than he had for quite a while. His loss of form might well have had nothing with having an experienced partner or not. 
 

It’s all speculation. 
 

I agree he doesn’t come across as a leader though. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Excuse my naivety on this, but if the rumours of baradji failing a medical are true then is it not normal for a club to try again in let's say a few weeks? Can the club not negotiate with the seller to maybe drop the price and add more onto let's say a sell on or something? 
 

I've seen a report this morning about Celtic needing to add depth and may look at re-visiting the situation further down the line.

Spot on. I alluded to the same myself earlier.

You can bet your bottom dollar we won't revisit it.

More smoke and mirrors.

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes not inconsistent, he has had 2 full seasons of consistent performances.

I dont get how when Carter comes in, who is hardly a youngster himself now, and performs poorly coinciding with an overall poorer defence, he gets no criticism and it all goes to Hyam for not leading him through it.

He has done well with Batth, well with Ayala, well with Wharton, well in a back 4, well in a back 3, but has been worse when Carter who himself hasnt played well in the last 2 years has come in. Makes no sense to pin all that on Hyam.

You’re no better pinning it on Carter. He’s another you needlessly criticise. He’s a good player who invariably performs well. 

[Rover84]

10 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Stress fracture of foot according to a post on here this morning

Only question is would it still be worth proceeding with the deal. Personally I think he still signs. Taken chances in past even with loan deals 

[Forever Blue]

5 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Excuse my naivety on this, but if the rumours of baradji failing a medical are true then is it not normal for a club to try again in let's say a few weeks? Can the club not negotiate with the seller to maybe drop the price and add more onto let's say a sell on or something? 
 

I've seen a report this morning about Celtic needing to add depth and may look at re-visiting the situation further down the line.

How do you know they aren’t going to revisit it? 

[JCRovers]

1 minute ago, Forever Blue said:

He was player of the season on his first season with us. He didn’t have an experienced partner then. He suffered like everyone else during the final few months of JDTs reign. It took him  long time to recover from that, confidence-wise.

Last season he looked a lot sharper than he had for quite a while. His loss of form might well have had nothing with having an experienced partner or not. 
 

It’s all speculation. 
 

I agree he doesn’t come across as a leader though. 

Not true. Ayala played 20+ matches during season 22/23. Team collapsed during the second half of that season when Ayala was mostly injured. 

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, JCRovers said:

Not true. Ayala played 20+ matches during season 22/23. Team collapsed during the second half of that season when Ayala was mostly injured. 

So the team ‘collapsed’, not Hyam

[Tomphil2]

21 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

At 29 years of age with more than 200 appearances in the Championship, you would think Hyam is more than capable of being consistent in his performances, able to provide leadership and help out the younger players like Carter with his experience. What I've seen of him is that he's not a leader, an inconsistent performer and thus becomes a liability in defence if he's partnered with a younger defender. At Coventry, he had McFadzean who provided that leadership. Can't carry a player like that until he retires; he's taking up (reportedly) a salary around 18K per week but is not showing enough to earn it. 

But such is our situation we cannot afford to lose him unless a good replacement is found first and that will cost wages even if not a fee.

[JCRovers]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes not inconsistent, he has had 2 full seasons of consistent performances.

I dont get how when Carter comes in, who is hardly a youngster himself now, and performs poorly coinciding with an overall poorer defence, he gets no criticism and it all goes to Hyam for not leading him through it.

He has done well with Batth, well with Ayala, well with Wharton, well in a back 4, well in a back 3, but has been worse when Carter who himself hasnt played well in the last 2 years has come in. Makes no sense to pin all that on Hyam.

Really? I would argue that season 23/24, when he got the captain's armband for the second half of that season, was an absolute disaster with us shipping 74 goals and nearly got relegated. 

[Forever Blue]

Just now, JCRovers said:

Really? I would argue that season 23/24, when he got the captain's armband for the second half of that season, was an absolute disaster with us shipping 74 goals and nearly got relegated. 

Which was directly related to the way JDT played. 
 

You seem to confuse causation and correlation. 

[Waggy76]

8 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

How do you know they aren’t going to revisit it? 

History !

[JCRovers]

4 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

So the team ‘collapsed’, not Hyam

You're deflecting from my main point, which was that Hyam did indeed often partnered with experienced Ayala in defence during that season.

[Forever Blue]

Just now, JCRovers said:

You're deflecting from my main point, which was that Hyam did indeed often partnered with experienced Ayala in defence during that season.

Well, no, your point is he can only play well  when partners with experience. He was consistently good all that first season, with or without Ayala. 

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

How do you know they aren’t going to revisit it? 

Well, we'll see won't we.

We were "meant" to be going back in for Mcguire. I pass no comment on whether that would have been a good or bad thing, but unsurprisingly the Club didn't stick to their word on that occasion

[JCRovers]

Just now, Forever Blue said:

Which was directly related to the way JDT played. 
 

You seem to confuse causation and correlation. 

Same JDT that nearly got us into playoffs the season before? You know very well that JDT wasn't backed in the transfer windows, thus the inevitable collapse. Yes, he played an expansive football and perhaps was a bit naive in that as the squad got weaker. But at the same time, I don't think he would've gotten anywhere with our absent owners regardless of playstyle. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Well, no, your point is he can only play well  when partners with experience. He was consistently good all that first season, with or without Ayala. 

He was shocking in the second half of that first season but as you rightly point out he wasn't on his own.

[Forever Blue]

4 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

History !

Can you remember a similar scenario where a player has failed a medical and we’ve revisited it or not revisited it? 

[BankEnd Rover]

11 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

How do you know they aren’t going to revisit it? 

Ive never said they won't do 😂I was genuinely asking a question. Is it normal for clubs to try again in a few weeks? It's just you don't see it happen very often, I wonder if we'll hold out or move on. 

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, Forever Blue said:

Can you remember a similar scenario where a player has failed a medical and we’ve revisited it or not revisited it? 

Josh Maja quite recently.

[Rover84]

20 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

How do you know they aren’t going to revisit it? 

Jackson’s comments when deal stalled suggested that something should be done over next few days. Would that mean renegotiating fee and clauses. More tests to see how long till it heals or probabilities of it getting worse.The safe bet would be to get a specialist opinion which could take a few days depending where they are based. Should here more in next few days but it didn’t sound completely dead

Edited Sunday at 11:12 by Rover84

[Forever Blue]

3 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

Same JDT that nearly got us into playoffs the season before? You know very well that JDT wasn't backed in the transfer windows, thus the inevitable collapse. Yes, he played an expansive football and perhaps was a bit naive in that as the squad got weaker. But at the same time, I don't think he would've gotten anywhere with our absent owners regardless of playstyle. 

The whole team collapsed and we nearly got relegated by the same manager who nearly got us into the play offs the year before. Correct.

Again you confuse causation and correlation. 
 

 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Of the 21 games Ayala missed in that season rovers went 
7 wins 
8 draws 
6 losses 
Games Ayala started 
10 wins 
11 losses
1 draw 
3 other games with less than 45mins 
W D L 

the reason for the ‘collapse’ was not being able to score Diaz badly went off the boil