Jordan Rhodes =Loans Manager

[bluebruce]

It still boggles my mind that probably the most instinctive goalscorer we have had since Shearer (Rhodes had no physical attributes of note, silky skills etc, he just know where to move in the box and could finish) has been employed here...but as a loan manager which he has no relevant experience for, rather than as a, ya know, striker coach where I would have absolutely welcomed him. God our lads could do with some of his nous.

Edited 7 hours ago by bluebruce

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

It still boggles my mind that probably the most instinctive goalscorer we have had since Shearer (Rhodes had no physical attributes of note, silky skills etc, he just know where to move in the box and could finish) has been employed here...but as a loan manager which he has no relevant experience for, rather than as a, ya know, striker coach where I would have absolutely welcomed him. God our lads could do with some of his nous.

what experience would you expect for a loan manager? 

Man City's loan manager is Joleon Lescott or Arsenal's loan manager is Sam Hayball

who says Rhodes would be any good at coaching? 

Edited 7 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[bluebruce]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

what experience would you expect for a loan manager? 

Man City's loan manager is Joleon Lescott or Arsenal's loan manager is Sam Hayball

who says Rhodes would be any good at coaching? 

Who says he would be any good at being a loan manager? Rhodes knew how to move and knew how to finish. It was pretty much all he was good at and what he made his career out of. If he doesn't know how to tell people those techniques, he's probably an idiot and shouldn't be employed in any post-playing capacity with us.

What experience would I expect...well if you look at Joleon Lescott, he didn't go immediately from playing into being City's Loan Manager. He coached with the England U21s. Sam Hayball likewise didn't just become a Loan Manager. He was a non-player who started as an Academy Analyst then a First Team Analyst. Then he became a Loan Coordinator under his predecessor. All of that builds him up for the role better than someone who used to kick a ball in the net but apparently doesn't know how to tell anybody how to do that.

Both your examples worked in youth football for a while. Presumably they also impressed, showed they understood football properly (which you need as a Loan Manager if you're choosing the clubs to navigate the career paths of young players) and developed the ability to integrate with different parts of the club. If you can't coach, you probably aren't a very good Loan Manager. And if you haven't worked with young players I don't see what you bring to the party.

[chaddyrovers]

8 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Who says he would be any good at being a loan manager? Rhodes knew how to move and knew how to finish. It was pretty much all he was good at and what he made his career out of. If he doesn't know how to tell people those techniques, he's probably an idiot and shouldn't be employed in any post-playing capacity with us.

What experience would I expect...well if you look at Joleon Lescott, he didn't go immediately from playing into being City's Loan Manager. He coached with the England U21s. Sam Hayball likewise didn't just become a Loan Manager. He was a non-player who started as an Academy Analyst then a First Team Analyst. Then he became a Loan Coordinator under his predecessor. All of that builds him up for the role better than someone who used to kick a ball in the net but apparently doesn't know how to tell anybody how to do that.

Both your examples worked in youth football for a while. Presumably they also impressed, showed they understood football properly (which you need as a Loan Manager if you're choosing the clubs to navigate the career paths of young players) and developed the ability to integrate with different parts of the club. If you can't coach, you probably aren't a very good Loan Manager. And if you haven't worked with young players I don't see what you bring to the party.

Well judge Rhodes on the job he does here. He has experience of loans during his career. On the job experience there. Is that worth more than coaching experience? 

 

 

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well judge Rhodes on the job he does here. He has experience of loans during his career. On the job experience there. Is that worth more than coaching experience? 

 

 

No.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, bluebruce said:

It still boggles my mind that probably the most instinctive goalscorer we have had since Shearer (Rhodes had no physical attributes of note, silky skills etc, he just know where to move in the box and could finish) has been employed here...but as a loan manager which he has no relevant experience for, rather than as a, ya know, striker coach where I would have absolutely welcomed him. God our lads could do with some of his nous.

This thought had also crossed my mind. The only proviso I would make is that there is only so much advice you can pass on. At the end of the day being a natural goal scorer is imo a God given talent, you either have it like a Greaves, Owen, Fowler etc or you don't.

Some basic stuff would help though, you need a genuine desire to frequently get into the areas from which you're more likely to score (a lot of modern day tactics go against this). The second thing is Alan Shearer used to admit he'd always take a swing from anywhere, you never know if the ball will go through a defender's legs or catch the keeper unawares etc. Most modern players won't shoot , it's almost like they're scared to risk "turning over possion" and are only happy to score the perfect goal from two yards out after a great team move.

[London blue]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well judge Rhodes on the job he does here. He has experience of loans during his career. On the job experience there. Is that worth more than coaching experience? 

 

 

No.

[Roverthechimp]

44 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

This thought had also crossed my mind. The only proviso I would make is that there is only so much advice you can pass on. At the end of the day being a natural goal scorer is imo a God given talent, you either have it like a Greaves, Owen, Fowler etc or you don't.

Some basic stuff would help though, you need a genuine desire to frequently get into the areas from which you're more likely to score (a lot of modern day tactics go against this). The second thing is Alan Shearer used to admit he'd always take a swing from anywhere, you never know if the ball will go through a defender's legs or catch the keeper unawares etc. Most modern players won't shoot , it's almost like they're scared to risk "turning over possion" and are only happy to score the perfect goal from two yards out after a great team move.

Along the same lines as Big Sam preferring a corner to a shot from 25 yards - statistically corners are the better option but in the championship with bog average keepers i do wonder (not least as we are shit from corners...)