Popular Post Mashed Potatoes Posted 2 hours ago Popular Post Posted 2 hours ago 20 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Think Broughton was just full of BS personally He was DOF so it was ultimately his job to identify the deals, GET THEM CLEARED BY OWNERS/MANAGEMENT, and get them over the line. He failed every single time - we don't know exactly why deals kept failing but we've never had the situation either before or since where deals got right to the wire on transfer deadline night before failing due to alleged administrative errors. Not saying he was solely to blame but I wouldnt say he was any less to blame than anyone else. All complicit just like Ismael is with our current slump in fortunes. Broughton signed Szmodics, Hyam, Brittain and Tronstad. How do you conclude that "he failed every single time" ? Even by your standards that is complete nonsense. 13 Quote
KentExile Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, DutchRover said: The missed paperwork was 100% meddling, the Maguire saga proved it. Broughton had everything agreed at a good value then rug was pulled away by someone (Suhail? Venkys?), he saved it by negotiating the loan to buy with a bigger fee but by then it was too late. I'm sure whoever killed the first deal stalled it at end to miss paperwork. Broughton has been competent everywhere else he's worked except us, so hard to believe it was him. Shame he must've signed an NDA to not expose the nonsense JDT has alluded to in that period. that was also done on time, but someone messed up the "paperwork" 1 Quote
Comfortably numb Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Just trying to think of potential wide left players we could be looking at if Cadamarteri is the striker option Louie Barry could be worth a shout, obviously did unbelievable with Stockport but things not gone to plan for him at Hull and Sheffield utd. Now back at Villa , may be ready for a fresh start Quote
JCRovers Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, KentExile said: They paid close to £4M for him, and are coming straight back up, so wont be selling for anything Rovers offer If we match what they paid and player wants the move, then there's a possibility in my view. We can always offer a "decent" relegation clause otherwise if player is doubting; wouldn't be surprised if that was the deciding factor with Jorgensen. Speaking of Jorgensen, it doesn't make any sense that we, all of sudden, decides to fork out roughly €4 million in a winter transfer window when we haven't done so for the past six seasons. My bet is that a major transfer deal will take place before window shuts and that it involves Alebiosu. Quote
RossendaleBlue3 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago In no way do I think this is ITK transfer guru know-how... But I fully believe every reported fee that we've paid is with every bonus and add on possible included How much did we "pay" for Sidnei, I know he hasn't played much, but the small sample size (and the fact he hasn't played anywhere consistently for his whole career) says he's tripe and not worth the apparantley fee ((Happy to be proved wrong, but he doesn't exactly exude the high energy front foot football that we've been promised)) I suspect Jorgensens up front fee isn't anywhere near what's been said either. Another way for them to appear as though they are trying, and not cost cutting at every opportunity 3 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Regardless of any Broughton flaws he was preferable to this current rabble any day of the week. It didn't help his cause that neither Waggot nor the shadow MD appeared to want him here. 1 Quote
KentExile Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, JCRovers said: Speaking of Jorgensen, it doesn't make any sense that we, all of sudden, decides to fork out roughly €4 million in a winter transfer window when we haven't done so for the past six seasons. My bet is that a major transfer deal will take place before window shuts and that it involves Alebiosu. The "multi million pound fee" will only be applicable if he triggers all of the add ons, probably including such fanciful notions as promotion to the Premier League The guaranteed fee is probably closer to £1.5M Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile 1 Quote
Torgeir Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, JCRovers said: If we match what they paid and player wants the move, then there's a possibility in my view. We can always offer a "decent" relegation clause otherwise if player is doubting; wouldn't be surprised if that was the deciding factor with Jorgensen. Speaking of Jorgensen, it doesn't make any sense that we, all of sudden, decides to fork out roughly €4 million in a winter transfer window when we haven't done so for the past six seasons. My bet is that a major transfer deal will take place before window shuts and that it involves Alebiosu. He just extended his contract. https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/yousef-salech-pens-contract-extension Quote
Penwortham Blue Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said: Deniz Undav This lad, in JDT’s team, would have fired us into the play offs and quite possibly, the EPL. 5 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said: Broughton signed Szmodics, Hyam, Brittain and Tronstad. How do you conclude that "he failed every single time" ? Even by your standards that is complete nonsense. Getting very bolshy after being right on the tax front aren't we? For balance he also signed (amongst others) three strikers who didn't score a single goal between them and Wahlstedt. I was talking about the deals towards the back end of different transfer windows which failed. Why did the first four deals (which cost decent money) go through whilst the others didn't? Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said: This lad, in JDT’s team, would have fired us into the play offs and quite possibly, the EPL. Yes, with the benefit of hindsight that would probably have made a big difference. Quote
Kjell Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Since the recent past has been brought up, I am at least glad to learn that Mr Fax Machine himself has found his level: https://www.solihullmoorsfc.co.uk/news/posts/moors-appoint-new-club-secretary/ 1 Quote
JCRovers Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 8 minutes ago, KentExile said: The "multi million pound fee" will only be applicable if he triggers all of the add ons, probably including such fanciful notions as promotion to the Premier League The guaranteed fee is probably closer to £1.5M None of us knows the full extent of actual fee paid upfront or potential add-ons but it's a transfer deal made for a player whose market value is a fair bit higher than what we usually go for in January. Also don't think Bodo Glimt will accept taking a "significant" loss having only signed him six months ago. Something tells me the board has received either a formal bid for Alebiosu or some form of guarantee that a bid will be made before window closes. Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, JCRovers said: None of us knows the full extent of actual fee paid upfront or potential add-ons but it's a transfer deal made for a player whose market value is a fair bit higher than what we usually go for in January. Also don't think Bodo Glimt will accept taking a "significant" loss having only signed him six months ago. Something tells me the board has received either a formal bid for Alebiosu or some form of guarantee that a bid will be made before window closes. Based on what? Quote
Popular Post TommyRovers Posted 2 hours ago Popular Post Posted 2 hours ago We know the issue at Rovers is Pasha and currently to a lesser extent Gestede now. Attacking everyone who failed under Pasha and the Venkys (but succeeded elsewhere) is odd. Broughton did a good job under the circumstances and has been fantastic at other clubs. At Rovers under decent ownership, he would still be here and we wouldn't currently be where we are. 10 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, TommyRovers said: We know the issue at Rovers is Pasha and currently to a lesser extent Gestede now. Attacking everyone who failed under Pasha and the Venkys (but succeeded elsewhere) is odd. Broughton did a good job under the circumstances and has been fantastic at other clubs. At Rovers under decent ownership, he would still be here and we wouldn't currently be where we are. Broughton is clear of gestede and the clowns no doubt however to say he did a good job when he overseen two catastrophic windows is a stretch the Maguire window I can understand I thought his reasoning behind it was legitimate and made sense saying he trusted the previous structure to get it done he then went on to promise that it would never happen again under his watch he would have provisions in place it happened again - now people can say oh but you can’t expect him to send the documents himself etc….wrong you 100% can expect him to be there to send the documents in a timely manner given what had went on previous. He overseen windows that quite frankly was career threatening to some and gross negligence. I certainly don’t put all of the blame on him however when your heading that department the buck stops with you and as bad as that was I’d take him back over Rudy in a heartbeat 2 Quote
Backroom Tom Posted 1 hour ago Backroom Posted 1 hour ago Our negotiation skills are poorer than this blokes 2 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Broughton is clear of gestede and the clowns no doubt however to say he did a good job when he overseen two catastrophic windows is a stretch the Maguire window I can understand I thought his reasoning behind it was legitimate and made sense saying he trusted the previous structure to get it done he then went on to promise that it would never happen again under his watch he would have provisions in place it happened again - now people can say oh but you can’t expect him to send the documents himself etc….wrong you 100% can expect him to be there to send the documents in a timely manner given what had went on previous. He overseen windows that quite frankly was career threatening to some and gross negligence. I certainly don’t put all of the blame on him however when your heading that department the buck stops with you and as bad as that was I’d take him back over Rudy in a heartbeat Pretty much. I thought the Mcguire collapse was even worse given what had preceded it 12 months previously. At least you could make the excuse when it hadn't happened before it wasn't something which was foreseeable etc etc Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 31 minutes ago, Kjell said: Since the recent past has been brought up, I am at least glad to learn that Mr Fax Machine himself has found his level: https://www.solihullmoorsfc.co.uk/news/posts/moors-appoint-new-club-secretary/ Sacrificial lamb. 1 Quote
JCRovers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 7 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Based on what? Based on our January transfer activity for the past six seasons. If the official fee reported for Jorgensen is correct, then why didn't we spend that kind of money in all those other seasons, many of which when we were in the midst of a play-off push? This one just doesn't look 'right'. Only reason I can see them splash that kind of money is because they 'know' they will make a large player sale. Even in January 2017 in the season we got relegated, we didn't spend a single penny in January despite selling the likes of Hanley and Duffy in the summer. Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, JCRovers said: Based on our January transfer activity for the past six seasons. If the official fee reported for Jorgensen is correct, then why didn't we spend that kind of money in all those other seasons, many of which when we were in the midst of a play-off push? This one just doesn't look 'right'. Only reason I can see them splash that kind of money is because they 'know' they will make a large player sale. Even in January 2017 in the season we got relegated, we didn't spend a single penny in January despite selling the likes of Hanley and Duffy in the summer. You might be right although in devil's advocate mode even if no-one is sold,they're only really "re-investing" the Hyam money received at the last minute in summer, and the net spend on fees for the season would only be around £1m. Quote
TommyRovers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 19 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Broughton is clear of gestede and the clowns no doubt however to say he did a good job when he overseen two catastrophic windows is a stretch the Maguire window I can understand I thought his reasoning behind it was legitimate and made sense saying he trusted the previous structure to get it done he then went on to promise that it would never happen again under his watch he would have provisions in place it happened again - now people can say oh but you can’t expect him to send the documents himself etc….wrong you 100% can expect him to be there to send the documents in a timely manner given what had went on previous. He overseen windows that quite frankly was career threatening to some and gross negligence. I certainly don’t put all of the blame on him however when your heading that department the buck stops with you and as bad as that was I’d take him back over Rudy in a heartbeat In a normal football club yes the buck would stop with him. But when you work at Rovers under the grip of Pasha, no. He left because he could no longer work under that regime. Just like Lambert. Just like JDT. Just like Eustace. Just like Park. Just like many others. Blaming Broughton for the transfer mishaps is naive at best. Edited 1 hour ago by TommyRovers 4 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 10 minutes ago, JCRovers said: Based on our January transfer activity for the past six seasons. If the official fee reported for Jorgensen is correct, then why didn't we spend that kind of money in all those other seasons, many of which when we were in the midst of a play-off push? This one just doesn't look 'right'. Only reason I can see them splash that kind of money is because they 'know' they will make a large player sale. Even in January 2017 in the season we got relegated, we didn't spend a single penny in January despite selling the likes of Hanley and Duffy in the summer. I’d say Hyam last min sale is the likely reason Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, TommyRovers said: In a normal football club yes the buck would stop with him. But when you work at Rovers under the grip of Pasha, no. He left because he could no longer work under that regime. Just like Lambert. Just like JDT. Just like Eustace. Just like Park. Just like many others. Agreed But you cannot promise something to the fans only for the exact same thing to happen again on your watch thats on Gregg an nobody else Quote
TommyRovers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Emerald Isle Rover said: Agreed But you cannot promise something to the fans only for the exact same thing to happen again on your watch thats on Gregg an nobody else Yeah it was stupid to promise that. He should have known better and sadly he has been made a scapegoat by many fans (including some on here) to the delight of Pasha. 1 Quote
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