Brereton will be nowhere near this game I think but it might be a good opportunity for him to get a goal on the back of his u23 game. Only big change i want to see is Rothwell in but I'd like to see him giving some minutes to youth players. Season over in my view, obviously would like a win but to not lose again will be a bonus.

Crucial info needed is... Did he play CF?

I can see what you're saying, the way I see it is that we should be trying to improve every position possible, if we bring someone in that's better than him then it's tough, he'll have to step up... Look how many decent keepers the apes have for e.g.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/17457039.i-dont-want-to-point-fingers-rovers-boss-on-keeper/ "David has found form recently" Eh? Cost us against Brum, Bristol and against Brentford! What's he been watching? Makes me worry he won't be looking for anew keeper. If that isn't evidence enough then I fear what it will take to make him realise. He's liability at the moment. Hate to say it because I like the lad and would like to see him succeed here but he needs to learn and work with a better, more experienced keeper here.

I've had enough of Raya for the time being. Need to desperately bring in a keeper, lad is simply not good enough I'm afraid. He might have a future for us but not right now, he's not up to it. If it's not him costing us goals it's the back 4. That's our season summed up but we say this every f*cking week. Soft as shite.

UTTERLY F*CKING RIDICULOUS. Midfield and back 4 are a complete joke. How is Raya getting best at that angle??? Useless.

He was ready at 65 though! Rothwell at 75?

Really interested to see what minute TM makes his subs, I'm pretty sure he thinks you can only make changes on 65 and 70 ?

Should be playing holding midfield, not a box to box... Just sat in.

Well... If there is a positive from these recent performances and results its that it plainly shows the manager how much quality is lacking to match his ambitions. I hope these results are a big reality check for the manager that whilst he's discussing being promoted he shouldn't lose sight of the fact that we don't just need to invest to challenge for promotion but to make sure that we don't go back down... Failing to bring in quality in the summer would see us be one of the favourites for relegation, this crop of players (as the manager has alluded to tbf) are simply not of the standard required. For all the stick people are giving Dack and questioning selling him, many of the players around him are simply not on his level of thinking most of the time.

I'm sick of this long ball up to Graham nonsense now. It's tired and predictable, it's a sign of a sh*t midfield when you have to completely miss it out.

Bell letting it bounce and costing us a corner that almost costs us... What an absolute sh*t house.

Bell can f*ck off right now. Absolute dog sh*t player.

Only just caught up on this. On the defender he referred to... Has to be Bauer surely? He's pretty much a dressed everything that I've suggested... Lack of leadership, Joe Rothwell and scouting in Germany, France and Holland... It's almost as if he or someone from the club has been reading posts on here before this event. ?

Forster is my dream keeper signing, unfortunately has a contract for a while and is on massive wedge.

Armstrong really seems to learning his position but I do agree he could do some damage up front. Nuttall I don't think will ever be good enough, I hope I'm wrong. I have to disagree though, I think we'll need to try and replace DG, along with CB and full backs are the most pressing issues.

You mean Armstrong and Brereton?

Can't be relying on DG all season again with his knees and being a year older. Desperately need someone to come in to try and fill his shoes.

No centre forwards?

Fully expecting that one to happen. Not in the know but just seems pretty obvious.

I'd written off this season after Brentford. I suppose to say it's a write off is a bit far as we could still use this season as experience for the younger players. This squad is going to need some investment to match the ambitions of the manager. Who would you like to come in? First bit of summer transfer speculation to kick us off... Apparently sourced from one of the red tops... https://the72.co.uk/125258/derby-county-blackburn-rovers-among-sides-interested-irish-defender/

Surprised by how people have voted on this so far... I think people have lost sight on how difficult a job managing Blackburn Rovers is and what mess we were. No manager is perfect and everyone has their failings.

2 very simple problems that aren't easily fixed. Before I start, when I say "good enough" I mean to match the managers aspirations of being promoted. Firstly... An issue that has been the same all season. No matter what midfield pairing we play we never seem to control possession. Correct me if I misheard but I'm sure the SS commentators said we had the lowest possession stats in the league. We are always chasing after possession and never controlling it. It comes back to that old saying "if we have they can't score". We never make teams work for possession... Why? We play too many long balls, our general passing is not good enough and our movement is not good enough because the players we have are not good enough, therefore the ball keeps coming straight back at us. If you keep giving away possession then you will concede cheap goals, it's a pretty simple concept. Secondly... Our defenders aren't good enough. Charlie is on his way out now, Bell has no defensive brain, Williams and Bennett aren't full backs. We lack vital experience and leadership at the back and in midfield, having this can help you organise better and see more games out. We're far too naive both on and off the pitch, the amount of goals we've conceded that required someone to take a yellow card and commit a professional foul would have seen us further up the league. Also naivety from the manager to not see these issues and sort it out, hopefully he will in the summer.

Wow. Well all of a sudden we're in a real mess. I hate to say it but a lot of it is down to the manager. Today was an absolute sh*t show from start to finish. No style of play, no method, no creativity and no leadership on and off the pitch. Today was a complete embarrassment, as my dad said, the players looked puzzled by what the manager was saying to them, he was changing formation and tactics every 2 minutes, Dack was playing centre half... It was an utter joke. I've seen him in his post match comments blaming the players, fair enough but he has to take a big slice of the blame here too because his management as of late has been totally inept. There comes a time when a manager has to realise throwing your players under the bus isn't the answer and take some of the blame. Tactics aside, he's making a lot of problems for himself. His use of Brereton has landed us in a really dire situation, his protection of him and constant playing him out wide has seemingly shattered his confidence and the confidence the fans have in him (Brereton) also. I've just spoken to my dad who was rightly saying that he needs to be taken out of the firing line because even sections of the fans are starting to turn on him (wrongly in my opinion). Had he played him through the middle when we first bought him this situation could be quite different. I'm not saying he'd have banged them in but he might have got himself a few and things would be looking a bit rosier. Now the only answer seems to be is to loan him out somewhere. If he goes to league 1 and does well then it's good for us because we might make some money back or he'll have gained much needed experience. If he fails then we have our answer and at least he's not done it on our time. If we were getting beat like we have done these past 4 games whilst experimenting and playing our younger players then I'm sure the fans would be more forgiving but obviously that's not the case. TM desperately needs to learn from these recent results, see the warning signs and crucially stop saying one thing in the press and doing another. He's invited a lot of unnecessary pressure onto himself, I don't like to tear him to bits in this way and it will take a lot more to be questioning his position but results, performances and decision making like this is only going to end up one way. There's not a lot a can say about the game. The first half was beyond a joke, I can't recall a performance as unorganised as that under TM, I've seen us play badly but today was just a complete shambles. Williams being sent off was a saving grace for the manager because he was forced into actually having a plan. I'm starting to have serious questions about Mulgrew and was surprised he stayed on ahead of Rodwell, I can only assume for set pieces. I think going forward Charlie has had his day and should now be used as a squad player, same goes for Benno. Graham looks knackered, it's time to bring Armstrong in through the middle and put Rothwell out wide. Nyambe at right back. Reed in the middle. Game time to Butterworth, Davenport and Magloire. Bring in Chapman when fit. Things need freshening up, players with nothing to fear can just add a spark to the current squad and sharpen everyone up, rather than picking the same old same old, it can only help and we have nothing to lose by trying. A lot that he should do, hope he has the bottle to do it else I fear things will get even worse.

Him or Bell, Bennett too, awful at full back. Cracked me up when TM said that he can swap Bell for Williams and we wouldn't be weaker... Aye mate, cus they're both shyte (Williams is a decent CB though).