31 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Never ever play Moran in centre mid again !

Not centre mid - either right side of a three or just ahead of Buckley and Hyari. Ideally I’d want Tronstad involved but not likely and garret was just gash today. Moran has played well under JDT with quick, short interchanges and means we would have players that can (in theory) pick a pass. Shit or bust time imo

An undeserved point, a great goal from SS and Hyari looking half decent are the only positives I can take from that.

We are going down unless we majorly fluke a result or someone else loses every match 

Next match I’d consider Telavovic and SG with SS. Hyari, Buckley and Moran with a back four behind them. 

Would be interesting if nothing else 🫣🥳
 

Eustace - we have a problem!

1 hour ago, tomphil said:

I still think the reason they carry the club now is because it sits comfortably in the VH group portfolio soaking up a lump of spare money some of which goes through the pipes elsewhere.  That has kind of been proven with what's going on now over there with the investigations etc.

Don't think that's why they bought it but that is what it became and as for betting i think if that goes on it's just a nice little perk from owning their plaything.

In the early days though i very much think some involved were in it for that very reason.

Nailed it - didn’t have to be Venky’s that benefited from any dodgy betting. But they may have facilitated it - knowingly or not they would still be seen to be culpable.

Far fetched? Being involved in match fixing and dodgy betting whilst ridiculous amounts are spent on wages and agents fees is still not as unbelievable as appointing K@#* and Coyle

As for the whole Shaw situation 🥳

Will Pickering play RWB with Chrisene LWB? Struggling to think of any alternative. 

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

Eh?

Even odds-on shots are profit if you know the outcome.

Yeah - i wrote what i actually meant further down in the post 🫣 (that even bets at evens or beyond are profitable)

7 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Fuck off useless.

Just add him to the list of shit cunts we've had in the dugout over the venkys era.

He belongs right there next to coyle.

Be nice - Hyamey, Gally’y, Hedgey, Pearsy and Brittney (sic) are much happier now that everything is the fans fault whilst not being forced to do stupid things like learn how to pass and control a football whilst still being exonerated for being crap at defending 

Waiting for one of them or JE to raise our fantastic bus/coach…

17 hours ago, superniko said:

Regarding the betting posts previous…

Yeah the Indian market is big (declined a little recently with crack downs), but it certainly is not filtering into Championship football, and 100% is not filtering into shots on target or manager sackings / appointments which was quoted. 
Remember that someone is taking the other side of the bet, do you really think they’d be willing to lay large amounts on Rovers in a Championship match in India?

If 4 bets in row for £20 were placed on Big Sam next manager to go at 33/1 the price would be cut instantly to single digits, that’s a liability of £2.5k - no firm anywhere is ending up with a huge red book or payouts of millions on those markets, and they’re not even offered in India 

The majority of wagered money in India is cricket (see what turnover the exchange used to do on the IPL), the rest is lotteries / gaming.

I despite Venkys as much as the next poster, but the betting angle is a massive stretch.

The betting market has 2 angles - one is profit (anything even beyond evens given a known outcome is a ROI) and the other is to move money around without direct links.

Systematic betting fraud doesn’t need every transaction to get 33-1 - multiple bets all the way down to (and beyond) evens are winning bets if you know the outcome.

If money laundering is involved then even losing money deliberately as the bookie enters the picture…
 

8 hours ago, Upside Down said:

To me this season has all the hallmarks of when they deliberately relegated us from the Premier League. 

They've offloaded any decent players we have with only Szmodics to go in the summer.

They've managed to get shut of the manager that openly challenge, questioned and called out all of their bullshit.

They've hired a guy who's got absolutely no pedigree and an absolute yes man.

They've tried to once again shift the blame on to the fans.

We've been here before. Our relegation will be this year or the next and it is 100% deliberate. Just like it was when they first took over.

 

See Abbey’s post about betting in the V’s/HMRC thread and contemplate what odds would you have got on relegation after last season 🤔

2 hours ago, ABBEY said:

Never forget the 33 rumours.

Big Sam 33/1 to be fired

Appleton next manager 33/1

Both had massive rumours beforehand of pune million mysterious bets. (Allegedly)

After last season - what odds would I have got betting on a Rovers relegation this season…

(ok - maybe even they aren’t stupid enough to do this whilst being investigated but… 🤫)

4 hours ago, Upside Down said:

To me this season has all the hallmarks of when they deliberately relegated us from the Premier League. 

They've offloaded any decent players we have with only Szmodics to go in the summer.

They've managed to get shut of the manager that openly challenge, questioned and called out all of their bullshit.

They've hired a guy who's got absolutely no pedigree and an absolute yes man.

They've tried to once again shift the blame on to the fans.

We've been here before. Our relegation will be this year or the next and it is 100% deliberate. Just like it was when they first took over.

 

From reading between the lines I wonder if JDT (or the Swedish FA) actually paid to be released from his contract 

The club is in profit but the owners will inject any monies needed to fund the club

In short zero reinvestment and Stevie gets a pat on the head for getting us relegated 🤬

Unless we have new owners or Eustace quits then he will be here next season regardless of league.

Would I have him? He has a lot to prove in the remaining games and off the pitch  because so far it would be no

10 minutes ago, philipl said:

We have already played Rotherham twice- two 2-2 draws. 

The 3 point Rotherham bonus went to each of Bristol City, Swansea, Plymouth, Millwall and Huddersfield. 

🤣👍

Says it all in a way - regardless of who the manager is we can’t beat the worst team in the league 

12 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

It's not though, is it. 

We've been better defensively since he arrived. He's suffering from the same problems that JDT had - zero attacking options and a weak squad. 

Selling A. Wharton and not replacing him was suicide. 

Have we actually been better or has Pears been the difference? Any stats guys willing to compare xg against for the last 6 vs 6 games with Wahlstedt 

1 hour ago, philipl said:

For the hell of it, I have taken the last 5 games form, extrapolated and added a bonus 3 points for each team with a Rotherham game yet to play. 

Here is 10th downwards (and it is down)

Swansea 63pts

Cardiff 61

Birmingham 60

Bristol City 59

Sheffield Wednesday 59

QPR 58

Huddersfield 55

Millwall 54

Sunderland 53

Plymouth 51

Watford 50

Middlesbrough 50

Stoke 50 Down on goal difference

Rovers 45

Rotherham 19

Nice job but giving us 3 points vs Rotherham may be a tad optimistic 🫢🫣

5 minutes ago, 47er said:

Seems no time at all since we were 10 points away from a relegation place and people were thinking we would be OK this season but would struggle next.

We are in a real dog-fight now. Is there enough fight left in the dog?

Not sure if we are a helpless puppy or an ailing old lab in the dog analogy.

Fight - 🤣🫣

They couldn’t fight their way into a paper bag never mind out of one!

Swansea were shit - we were worse. Not entirely sure what our gameplan was and don’t think the players knew either.

I’d be bringing on Gilsenan just to see if he can do it at this level 

Moran is not a cm - Garrett should be playing today

Anyone know if Gallagher is fit to start?

16 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

It’s amazing what Tuesday night has done for confidence - I can’t see us loosing this one for some strange reason.

Id love a win but think a draw is on the cards here - a clean sheet would be Lovely.

Being a Rovers fan has given me great Pleasure at times but a also a very pessimistic view…

I think today will be the day when all the bounces go against us, probably a penalty against and either a worldie or a “fell on his arse and the ball bounced off him to deceive Pears” type.

2-0 Swansea I fear but I hope I’m wrong 

25 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

I don’t know which is the harder job brain surgeon, sorting out the immigration policy or the person doing rovers highlights since JDT left

Fair play to them being a little honest/humorous 

40 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

To a degree.

Buckley made a difference; we moved the ball a lot better when he came on and controlled possession more.

The same old problems were there though, mainly that for all the possession, we just don't get the ball in the box anywhere near enough.

I was happy with the result though. A point on the road, when you're scrapping away near the bottom, is a good point.

Last night highlighted why implementing a plan b is not easy against teams that sit back. With SG off, and no Hedges the last 20 were “JDT” football. If Telavovic was trusted and we dared go to a back 4 then we could have just bombarded their box.

That it didn’t/can’t/won’t happen under current circumstances I can fully understand given the players available and our shocking record of conceding late goals.

”Growing together” is my new bullshitbingo/drinking game phrase…

Suspect i may end up with a drinking problem… 🤔🤣