@Herbie6590good point - as trousering could be just another word for putting proceeds in clubs pockets so no outside investment is necessary. In the past it’s been used in conspiracy here as dodgy or illicit payments out of the club. Combine that with quotes from GB and JDT “sustainable premier league club” and past ones about Brentford (no owner investment) and what @K-Hod says perfect sense. For me that’s the correct way to go, but it just shows how broken football is when we need to sell a player every season to even support a modest (for level and expectation) wage bill.

You do you.

Trousering? Aka taking money out of the business? Why on earth would they be putting 8/10m a season in via share capital then?

On the debt initially - what is it? 250m+? Is that about 20m a season “invested?”One of the reasons why I’d always consider that aspect in our financial management, is the prospect of “life after Venkys” - in basic terms, the lower this amount, the better, where a sale is concerned. We all want that, surely? In terms of PNE / Blackpool / Millwall comparison - have they made any business you think we should’ve been all over? Also those teams all have lower expectations and probably different lists where transfers are concerned. Whereas it’s conceivable we’re trying to find the options available lower premier league, higher wages etc - and it’s also conceivable those sort of talents are on others lists; Anel. I acknowledge and share the frustration of playing this waiting game, but I’d hold the system accountable more than competence at this point, especially where GB and JDT are concerned. The idea of having a window closing after 8 games is ludicrous for a start, the gap between wages and sponsorship between 20th and 21st in the football pyramid is a another big issue. On the “Jam tomorrow” thing - surely there is some middle ground? I know “give x amount of windows” is almost a cliche round here now, but time has to be given. Finally on the conspiracy stuff; I agree already on the disinterested owners but in terms of the money aspect, their spend is there to see. It’s been mishandled, their making, a vacuum between club and final decision maker, but it’s never been a trickle. If you’re suggesting we forget about rules / regulations and spend whatever we want, sponsor whatever, basically force their way round the system - that would be nice, but competition (due to that premier league sponsorship) is so fierce, we could end up like many of the big city clubs (Derby and Sheff Wed as we speak) who’ve fallen foul to the point they can’t even offer players contracts. I know Mowbray drove everyone mental with his “Journey” bollox, but there’s definitely something in his descriptions of slowly building up players to sell, to enable us to actually spend (wages and Fees) without the possibility of sanction.

Couple of tweets from Nixon. Price is about BBD.

Financial scenario is high debt, low turnover and difficult margins with FFP constraints (see last summers registration embargo and ultimately having to sell training ground). Secondly - competition for players capable of being top “champ” level is fierce, and there’s a list of teams who can offer more based on these financial issues. Anel for example. People can say “well go get someone else”, but it has to be the right one. As we’ve seen with Ayala - risk, big wage, and has been injured far too often to justify. It’s not easy. Another reason for the difficulty is Reputationally we’re not a favourite for promotion or play offs, despite position early season or last year (your momentum analogy was embarrassing imo) and thus players of that ilk and ability, would probably choose one of those (not forgetting wage packet) as it’s a quicker and more likely route to 50k a week. Yes, we’d have no problem plucking players from lower champ and league one - but for finding players who will truly make the difference at this level, isn’t easy. Importantly - I must add; The owners could have a far far better system in place, in fact they even acknowledged that by changing it up this summer. It’s important to say this as I’m often painted as someone who doesn’t have any complaints. That’s absolutely not true. In terms of this new setup though? Surely one window? Or maybe even 1 season is time to see what transpires? Rather than jump for the “broughton is a dud” ( @SuperBrfc) or one of your half baked conspiracies?

I simply cannot comprehend why you will not acknowledge one single difficulty with transfers from our specific financial state and current reputation. I’ve tried to fathom it, but it just doesn’t make any sense. I can acknowledge that we’ve hardly got the very best for the job but you won’t budge a single inch, and paint every issue as an excuse. @J*B can we have a links only thread for the last week, I cannot wade through anymore of this.

This is a good way of improving our fanbase, and also international support if you read the comments.

I’ll remember that next time I’m sent to the stands 😂

Just reminded me of him, the “Buckley’s rubbish and if you think differently you’re lying to yourself”.

Suggesting anyone who sees redeeming quality, ability etc - is “telling yourself something you want to be true”? Not what I’d call persuasive. The list you made was only things you didn’t like. I assume you’ve seen the goal against Birmingham? Or the countless through balls, creative switches of play? Or the ability to nick the ball regularly by judging a pass? Theres loads of positive to add to the areas he needs development in. The idea that he’s been given a free ride because we “want him” to do well is just snidey, patronising and “Jalesque” This section is reserved for people I think post purely for a reaction. From this perspective, you got what you asked for.

There is a difference between a poorly thought out opinion and listing only the negative, bad aspects about someone and then suggest everyone else is lying to themselves to feel better. Purposely incendiary - there’s many posters who get a kick from that shit here, MB. You know that surely?

Not a big fan of breaking posts up Chaddy style but I thought this deserved its own reply. Do you think being so patronising helps your argument? That’s a fantastic list of all the things he and many other footballers do wrong at times. There’s no point in me listing good things about his game, because despite @Mattyblue’s attempt to justify slagging players off without any actual balance, you’ve already come to a ridiculous conclusion. Ill just put you into the “JAL” section of “posters I’ll try never to read or reply too again”. Good day sir.

What do you base this on?

Re the part in bold - when your record is bad, don’t be surprised to be picked up on ideas / suggestions, because the general feeling here is that you couldn’t pick your nose, never mind a good player out.

yet took a clean sheet yet worked hard and created an opportunity for our goal It’s as if you only find the bad stuff!

We’ve started the season without completing most of our business many times in the last decade, and I’m not sure how you can blame Broughton for people leaving before he even arrived.

Yesterday was Carter is a donkey based on a friendly and today is the DOF who’s been in the building 6 weeks, again not an easy mindset to understand.

In danger of going off thread here but I believe it’s easier to sell season tickets to supporters when you’re in the second tier, if you haven’t been in the top one since 1961. Our club is built for top tier income - the majority of the people we all know who’ve given up, went when the club played Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal at home every season. Not looking up at the likes of Fulham and Bournemouth.

As discussed in the ST thread - the only bill in my household that hasn’t risen this season is my season ticket. Im no accountant, I know both those clubs have nowhere near the infrastructure costs we do, and I (in terms of sales) know it would’ve been a different story had we finished the season better. 47ers point was “we’re badly run” and “Cheaper tickets” is something I bet most people at every club would agree on, but would it solve these transfer and contract woes? Someone suggested we get someone for 50k a year instead of Waggott (250k a year) and put it to the wage bill. I’m sure that 2k per week after tax would be the difference between 8th and 6th…!

The response is in the parts of the post you didn’t include to reply. Everyone has their own circumstances, the competition for players with the necessary ability to challenge is fierce and we’re miles behind other clubs with wages. Rather than simply grumble, what suggestions do you have to enable the club to work better? Sweeping “Get rid of wag/Venkys/Mowbray” not enough, how does a club of our current position maximise turnover, avoid ffp sanction and ensure success on the pitch and in recruitment?

Absolutely, fans should question everything. They should also be reasonable, not just lump issues all into one to point the finger. You mention 4 at once for example, but those players have their own circumstances. 1. Rothwell has gone to the premier league and if you believe Waggott we could’ve been remunerated for that - frustrated but understand. 2. Lenihan - 28 year old, wants a big signing on fee and contract as it’ll be the best he’ll ever be on. Wilder has wanted him for 5 years too, I’m sure that played a part. 3. Nyambe - seemingly wanted to move, why would he take a “step back” to Wigan? Or was he lied too. Either way he’s been replaced out of these three. 4. Phillips is leaving? Just a rumour here at moment (suspiciously timed after the thread title change for Magliore hmmm) Let’s suggest it is Tottenham - someone listed the clubs respective turnover / value compared to ours and it was over 20x bigger… Simple economics would suggest he’d earn a lot more and be set up for life, even if he never plays a senior game for them. As @unsall rightly and regularly points out, for all the finger pointing at individuals, owners and the club in general, doesn’t take into account three incredibly difficult hurdles. 1. The vast gap between wages bottom half premier league and top half championship - and the not so vast gap in ability levels. 2. FFP - a literal limit / rule on spending to turnover. We spent time in embargo last summer once more, and for all certain posters saying it is an excuse, league 1 has been littered with clubs for 10+ years (including us) who’ve ended up having to “cut their cloth” to 36 year centre-backs like Curtis Davies or Wes Brown. 3. Parachute Payments - the advantage that gives teams over four years makes it fairly impossible for anyone to break that promotion cycle. That’s not to say all teams with them succeed, as they're often a fast way into FFP issues when you fail getting back up after throwing the money at it - look at the signings / issue’s Huddersfield are having after finishing third / losing playoff final last year - I think they’re in the last year of their PP https://www.90min.com/posts/how-effective-are-the-premier-league-parachute-payments/amp In conclusion - There’s much more to be done at Ewood in regards to improving results, contract negotiations, turnover, fan dialogue, community liaison etc - but it’s not as if we’re the only club in the 92 trying. Competition is fierce - hence why we’re so addicted to it. Can’t wait to see Burnley get torn apart on tv later.

It felt this grim last year, registration embargo and top scorer most likely leaving. Season before it was “shit or bust” You know as well as I do, that results matter more than any of this, however I don’t know where “transition” suggests mediocracy. Also, we haven’t lost most. Some perhaps, but not most. Semantics mean a lot - also for the same token, those players we lost take some responsibility for our poor form since Christmas. As mentioned repeatedly- the last time we’d signed 4+ players before kick off was under Coyle. Lets see how we get on Saturday before bringing the “deliberate negligence” back into debate…

Not just aimed at just you DMTP, but the part in bold shows you understand our situation aka ambition > finance, you understand the fierceness of competition between championship teams for players, and the plethora of options on bigger wages, who are waiting to see whether they get game time or if they’ll be down the pecking order at their club… Not naming names, but why is it that posters who get this, are less panicky? Less demanding, for explanations or for people to “fess up”? I think everyone here wants us to have the cliched “two decent players for every position” ready for Saturday, but I don’t think everyone understands the difficulty in attaining such.

You’ve using a friendly writing off players. That’s when I stop taking you seriously.