45k ain’t no assumption. It’s 7,000,000 divided by three seasons mate. As for the “how many 7m signings”, the average wage for premier league team player is about 2.5/3m a season, so why see it as a huge sum when we spent more in one season on managers 7 years ago. Plus how/why would we be burdened with spending huge sums and wages on someone not proven? The fee represents the potential, nothing more. You’re whole argument here lies on assumption - you have no idea his wage. Even if you’re eventually right about BB, it doesn’t make your current view any less close minded, old fashioned and basically out of touch

I don’t personally judge 19/20 year olds on a hand full of starts so to hear he is “crap” makes me think some patience might be required. Also- the assumption he is a top earner is based on no facts- it’s just a paranoid agenda to add to a rationale that TM made a huge error.

Over 3 years, how much is 7m? ignoring taxes, signing on fee; 45k per week. Johnson and Downing over their contracts + SOF probably cost more than we’ve spent so far on Bb...

For this season it’s addressed. Loans can be frowned upon but surely only someone desperate to point out fault would argue Walton isn’t (initially) an upgrade on David. Perhaps after a good season we might have more choice about who our next permanent number one?

Was a hill I was prepared to die alone on over the summer, thankfully others starting to see it. Id sooner we utilise Benno and see if JRC, Nyambe can step up, as invariably in 50 odd games, injuries, suspensions etc can rack up.

Could you point out when or where?

I agree massively - I would like to see more free tickets as a start, one advantage over our local rivals is we could fit most of their own fans and ours in Ewood. I think the ultimate ends for re-filling Ewood is success though. On the pitch.

At the same time, I very much doubt Holt will be funding an academy in league 1! Whilst I’m all for incentives, schemes and ways to ignite interest in our club - a championship promotion side will do more for that than any free shirt for the community.

And that’s a fair argument but it’s key to remember the examples are few and far between. As for Brereton being a colossal waste of money - I prefer to realise he is 20, and even if he never makes the grade, transfers aren’t infallible. The thing that winds me up with Brereton - we could be (as a club) on a really good spell, but it’ll still be dragged back to prove the close minded idealism that “we’re fucked”. I just don’t get why it’s so important, when signed or developed further by the same staff - the Dacks, the Travis and the Lenihans should be worth 5 times what we’ve spent. If 7m on a prospect is a “colossal waste of money” then surely 750k on someone who has transformed our attack for 100 appearances, is an absolute master stroke/genius move. Balanced views surely must acknowledge that, hence why the unbalanced views here seldom do. We gave Newcastle and Leon, probably twice combined what we will ever give BB, and that’s how I’d justify the terms “colossal waste of money” At least until BB is released for nowt or paid off in a few seasons, but hindsight makes us all experts.

And Leicester, Wolves, Cardiff, Newcastle, Reading, Southampton, Watford and Bournemouth? Not to forget - the Boro’s, the Derby’s and many others who’ve spent a tonne and gone backwards (seem to remember a famous blue and white team doing something similar...) In fact since Tony’s last promotion - I can only see Blackpool, Burnley and Norwich (the former Two twice) have achieved promotion by “not spending much”... even though Norwich and Stendl had 100k PW on the bench last season in Rhodes et al. To quote one of my favourite albums of the last 20 years; “It was supposed to be so easyyyy”

Still though, if we’re top 6 come half ST selling season, it’s likely much easier!

Anyone notice Reading had 15m of strikers on the pitch Saturday? Joao and Puscas.

Holy crap - you mean we’re criticising Travis now? Jesus, lads gone from obscurity to being as good as a ball winning midfielder as I’ve seen at Ewood in years.

Sorry but can I just unequivocally state that I believe this to be complete horse manure? In my opinion, he’s come on leaps and bounds because of the management team, not despite it.

Adapt is a key term - yesterday too, hanging on to points is something we couldn’t do last year - Perhaps personnel is more important than tactics for this, the great “game management” debate.

The irony being, I wouldn’t feel the need to repeat myself if my original points had been left.

I would in a handshake - Funnily enough many of their fans would’ve said bye to Dyche last year too. I do think that we should be impressed that our current squad can react to an illness outbreak the day of the game, play a system they haven’t practiced all week with a few changes in personnel - and then control a game.

Main forum for discussion, busiest, most “balanced” form of social media compared to FB/Twitter; Top thread come 7pm after first game of season; “MOWBRAY OUT” Cringe isn’t strong enough a word.

Also 25 years ago. There’s not many teams that score goals for fun playing a wide 442 with two target men these days. Funnily enough, Burnley are about as close as I can think of, yet their entire philosophy is about being 100% committed, organised and extremely hard to break down.

Just to add; it started the day he arrived. This thread however was the latest iteration and came right after the Charlton game. As for good and bad - you’re absolutely spot on and the debate will always rage on. After the two games you mentioned, and the Oldham away defeat - lowest point of his tenure for me.

Precisely - I used to laugh at Geordies for their expectancy, their flip flop mentality towards managers and players. The initial wave of dissatisfaction in a bad result is bound to sharpen the tone/terms of a reaction but I’ll never get my “bonce” round many initial views in this thread, and without generalising too much, many leant towards out rather than in, which I still find mind-blowing.

Didn’t see any bickering personally, but you did cut out a key point. Just to re-iterate, I am of the opinion that it’s extremely unwise to be reactive towards big decisions (in anything) hence why I still can’t get my head round the way that discourse started in this thread. 90 minutes into a new season. If it had been continued from other manager threads, or discussed from a “writings been on the wall, thus time is running out” - maybe I wouldn’t have cringed my head off? I wanted the title changed over a month ago and as I said then, I felt it made the first page of the football forum “super-over-reactive and unpalatable”. I also think it’s disrespectful, makes us sound straight out of Gateshead or even Arsenal fan TV..

There is no justification in calling for any managers head after one game. People will try, tag on last season say things like“I’ve always felt like this”, which is exactly the point about being close minded. The reality though - whether you see little or lots of value in a manager, there are appropriate windows to sensibly move one on, with certain owners this can be borderline impossible. Its not about some “I told you so” nonsense, it’s about the opinion that the reaction was embarrassing. Still is. Thankfully those with the ability to change the thread titles are in agreement.

https://twitter.com/bbclancssport/status/1175456788805820417?s=21 Rothwell was ill then. Have to say, Evans also sounded like he was immense today.

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