How can Huddersfield be in a position to sign Rhodes and co. and only charge £249 for season tickets Yet we aren't in that market and have to charge £400 with our billionaire owners? Something doesn't add up.

He's already at it. only yesterday quoted in the Telegraph talking about expectations- again suggesting we are on a long term journey with the kids and expectations need setting accordingly. What a way to try and flog tickets. All a load of rubbish. There's no journey it is just a hand to mouth existence from one season to the next and he gets away with it.

Spot on. Truth be told these clubs - United, Liverpool, City, Everton - are looking for one thing for their promising youngsters and that's regular game time at a decent level of football to aid their development and give them what they won't get playing for their u23s every week. They aren't going to feature in their first team squads nor any other PL clubs so the next best thing is minutes in the rough and tumble of the Championship - ultra competitive and almost a PL 2 these days. You don't need to be well connected or have particular principles to benefit from this - just indicate an agreement to ensure these players aren't wasted and do get regular game time, and don't burn your bridges by taking a kid and then never playing them. Some Championship clubs won't be willing or able to make that commitment because they use loans to fill gaps or add depth and see these kids as people to add competition or fill in for injuries, but at good old Rovers we see the loan market as a cheap and convenient way to build a squad for the season - regularly having no alternative options in key positions such as CB. These managers like Guardiola and Klopp will see that and see we need these lads and of course will be happy to send them here - just up the road - and cover nearly all their wages in doing so. It isn't a financial exercise for them and they don't care about the money - it is all about player development. At Rovers it is a financial exercise because it avoids the need to issue contracts or pay transfer/signing on fees. It would be the same anywhere else if they were offering to use these players every week. We do benefit from location to some degree but so do others. But Mowbray seems to treat this as some sort of feather in his cap that he has special contacts and connections when really it isn't the case.

Amazing that West Brom would go for the Barnsley manager and not Mowbray. Expect Barnsley to repeat their last 3 tricks and headhunt an obscure European manager - this is how well run clubs operate - have a back up plan and know who they want. We'd just wait for Mowbray to leave and then see who threw themselves at it and give it them.

I think the only logical explanation is that like everything else at Rovers they are waiting on authorisation or the nod from India before it can be done. Season tickets, new contracts, transfers, accounts - all late Either that's because of rank incompetence or because of a fundamental problem with how the club operates. I believe the most likely explanation is that Venkys aren't communicating and have left the club to drift and rot (again). Their insane business practices are now likely to see us embargoed and facing relegation back to the 3rd division. Yet still they go on Facebook and sing the owners praises.

I suspect very lazy journalism in play. Brereton all the rage at the moment with his Chile involvement so people are looking to write about him and bring him under the PL umbrella. They don't like these players not being part of the PL circus and want to bring him to the attention of PL fans. Who to link him to? Well just up the road we have Bielsa - ex Chile manager himself - ideal. Have to say though if there is any truth to it we can see how poorly Mowbray has done with him over the last 2 years.

You have to be pretty bad to get relegated from this division. Remember that despite having Coyle for 9 months we still collected 51 points and should have survived. We've come full circle now though and Mowbray will be hailed as a genuis if he manages to guide us to safety. Almost as though the last 4 years never happened.

I can live with an embargo. I can live with poor players or poor football. I can't live with the continued employment of the people who put us into that position.

Interesting but I fail to see how this happens in the timescale available. We've got 6 weeks until kick off day. During that time Derby now have to submit amended accounts, the League need time to scrutinise them, then if they feel Derby are guilty of wrongdoing they will have to charge them and then go through the disciplinary process to determine a sanction, and then if that is a points deduction for last season (relegation) then of course Derby will launch an appeal. Dealing with all that will take more than 6 weeks. I expect the League to wobble and try to impose a points deduction on next season instead. I just hope Wycombe have lawyers at the ready.

Surely given our ticket receipts and matchday revenues are less than many clubs then the impact of losing that income is less? Mowbray likes to tell us about giant clubs Stoke and Middlesbrough and the mighty Bristol City getting full houses every week. Amazing how their management have come up with ways of overcoming such lost income yet at Rovers the loss of our support has been so disastrous. I'm not sure who will have lower wage bills than Rovers come the end of June with the departures and squad size we have. I suppose most clubs are desperate/determined to avoid transfer embargoes because they actually want to invest/improve and succeed. I'm not sure that's the case here.

Our odds on Sky for relegation are longer than they were in 2017. Suspect that might change over the coming weeks.

Offered squad roles? Either they are good enough and in plans to play or they aren't. I dont accept this idea of handing out contracts to players who aren't good enough. Presumably we are back to the same logic of not signing Bauer because we wouldn't guarantee him first team football every week which Preston did. End of the day if we are giving deals out it has to be with a view to these people playing rather than being categorised as squad fillers.

So sounds like Chapman, Bennett and Bell were all 'offered' new deals and each look to have rejected them and are likely to end up moving to League One instead. If that doesn't set alarm bells off then nothing will.

That's exactly what will happen All this talk about demanding £20 million is ridiculous. We aren't in a position to demand anything. Assuming we can't sort a new contract out then it is either sell for the best offer that comes along or keep hold and risk him going for nothing. A situation of our own making but a familiar one. If the powers that be want the money rather than the risk then he's going for whatever money lands on the table, regardless of whether we think it is good value or not. Before then they'll make out that he's a bad apple pushing for a move and forcing the club to cut its losses and get rid. Of course if he was under a long term contract the club would be protected.

All part of the conveyor belt. They'll just work down the list of alternative City/United/Liverpool u23 players until they find one they will send out for next to nothing to play every week.

So how has this affected us more than the other 23 clubs in the division, all but a handful aren't under an embargo and have begun recruitment in earnest ahead of the new season? Covid a convenient excuse here for all sorts of failures until the question gets asked how/why it has affected Rovers more than anyone else.

Surely if we are under a transfer embargo then both Waggott and Cheston should immediately resign their positions. I cannot see how their continued employment particularly on such substantial wages can be justified if they have led the club into another transfer embargo so soon after the last one. It shows that nothing has changed. It is only 5 years since we emerged from the last one. Since then we've been down to League One and supposedly cleared the decks and rebuilt in a sensible way. Many other clubs who have smaller attendances and commercial revenues than us manage to operate in sensible, sustainable and competitive ways and yet we seem to be on an endless cycle of boom and bust where we have a couple of years of reasonable spending/no sales followed by a couple of years of slash and burn probably resulting in relegation again. Mental way to operate but the people paid fortunes to keep a steady ship need removing if this happens. There's no excuse for it and it could cost the club league status. Of course if the owners gave a toss about the club they'd either find ways around an embargo or sack those responsible for putting us into it. But they don't and so here we are.

Downing the ideal player for this sort of setup. They have him where they want him and could exploit his desire to keep on playing and willingness perhaps to be mucked around at that stage in his career, so Mowbray and co. had a good lad on standby if needed. Makes you wonder though who often this sort of thing is happening - players getting lined up, under the impression a deal is to be done, hanging around and then all of a sudden the deal is off. I know deals are on and off a lot in football but suspect it occurs more frequently here with so much happening.

I think he did try, in his own pitiful way, but then quickly learned his attempts had achieved nothing. Partly because the schemes he came up with were so lame and also because he completely misjudged the way of things around here. The frankly embarrassing competition and jackpot prize if we sold 10,000 tickets - never going to achieve increased sales. The chance to win Dack's shirt by buying a season ticket - again futile. I'm not certain if these weird schemes were because Waggott is so clueless or because he just doesn't have the power to come up with something more wide ranging and comprehensive in scope and incentive. Anyhow, I think he has given up on that over the last couple of years and just decided for flat out get what he can from those whose loyalty can be exploited. Everyone has a breaking point though.

Can't argue with much of what they say. £36 is appalling and we are an embarrassment.

To be honest I'd never heard of any of those players until someone decided to 'link' Yates with a move here. As others have said I very much doubt we will be offering the money needed to tempt Blackpool to sell especially now they are a better run club than we are. Why do we need to bring through more academy players? Not much point IMO if we are just allowing their contracts to run down.

Waggott got the job promising to drastically reduce reliance on Venkys. Increase revenues and cut costs. Otherwise why else would they have agreed to him coming in? He's not very good though, and to increase revenues at a Championship football club it is a tough business no matter where you are, especialy at a club like Rovers in a region such as this with a dysfunctional setup. The season ticket disgrace and Brockhall stunt both have his tentacles all over them. Increasingly extreme and desperate steps to achieve targets. He'll do whatever he can to achieve that with scant regard for the medium to long term implications. This is his first and last big job in football, he wouldn't have got the CEO job at any other Championship club hence why he was floating around as a consultant at Southend and Gillingham before turning up here. Name of the game is to keep this one going until he's ready to retire and then the rotting carcass he leaves behind will be someone else's problem to deal with.

Sounds good. But do you really, seriously, think that we would be able to use proceeds from a sale to sign a decent replacement AND have change left? Read between the lines here. They're setting us up for sales and cutbacks. We've offloaded tens of thousands from the wages already, and the sum total of our business this summer has been contract extensions for Wharton and JRC who will have both been on small wages. Even if they were to sell Nyambe, get reasonable cash for him AND agree to Mowbray spending the money - do you seriously have faith in this lot to go and find a competent replacement? No - we all know what happens here. Nyambe goes for a couple of million, the money disappears into 'balancing the books' or we wait for the right player to come along and then we go and loan a highly rated 19 year old from City or Liverpool for the season.

Where does it say it should be £439? I thought it had been £459 since last season

IF I back down and and buy a season ticket it will be for the social side and seeing friends and filling up Saturday afternoons. The biggest thing I'm struggling with at the moment is the vile, shameless and grossly inadequate setup down there. As I've alluded to before, I can and have put up with some shocking standards on the pitch but having the p1ss taken out of me by the likes of Waggott takes some overcoming. Not sure I can stomach it and the thought of him and his mate rubbing their hands ahead of another year of it.