JHRover

Imagine when sitting down with Waggott or whoever it was who offered him the job last February. You can imagine the bullsh1t being fed in a bid to persuade him to take the job mid-season. - No restrictions on the owners - They're wonderful people desperate to see the club succeed - They'll spend where they can within FFP limits All the same guff they come out with to the fans all the time but there's no evidence to back it up. As an outsider coming in it probably sounds fantastic. Get us safe, get to the summer, naturally will lose a few including Szmodics but at least they'll reinvest and that will be an opportunity. Then summer comes and goes with another 8 figure net transfer fee profit and we end up spending a bit here and there mainly on free agents and a couple of overseas players. Knuckle down, logic being that if we get to January in contention they'll surely sense an opportunity to go up and release some cash from the vast amounts they've recouped recently. Probably told by 'the board' (whoever they are) during November and December there's money to spend on some players, don't worry, we will sort it. Come February 1st we and Eustace will know what the game is. Unfortunately for us we've seen it all before and are praying that they will change their ways but know it is highly unlikely. For Eustace he's still relatively new to these shenanigans but come February will have had two windows of it and will know that if they don't back him now they never will. I reckon it is at that point he realises there's no point being here.

The Darwen End can be a home end and be split between home and away fans. That's the main issue here. Either by giving home fans the upper tier or by splitting it down the middle and giving half the upper and half the lower to the away team. This has happened many times before (pre-Venkys and Waggott) and indeed that stand was designed with such a division in mind. Tickets have been on sale for many weeks and it was obvious at least 2-3 weeks ago when they were forced to open the BBE upper that there was high demand and that further seats may need to be unlocked. I am not advocating giving them 7000 tickets. Never have and never will. But some of the 4000 empty 'could' be occupied by Rovers fans. Might only be 1000-1500 in the lower tier but there's no reason not to do it. It can be done, it has been done before and pretty much every other club in England has no issue with home and away fans sharing the same stand. Your suggestion that selling an extra 3000 to the dingles would cost us more than we would make in revenue. I would suggest that is nonsense. If the additional policing costs were £100,000 (3000 tickets at £33 each) there is something seriously wrong. If this was remotely close to being correct then we would see most stadia around the division with swathes of netted off blocks every week to save on policing costs. That doesn't happen except at Rovers. At Burnley they have next to no segregation. There should be no Rovers fan turned away from this ground whilst there remain unoccupied seats. Then we get on to the other issue here which is that you say 'as long as the home ends are full' - but they aren't. There are at least 300 empty seats in the Jack Walker Lower tier and Riverside bottom corner. The club has refused to release these for sale and instead would rather they be netted off - again not necessary. Are there another 2,000 people wanting tickets? Who knows. All I know is that we 'sold out' about a week ago now and logic would suggest quite a few more would have gone in the time since as the game gets nearer.

So despite refusing to sell almost 5,000 tickets out of our 31,000 capacity stadium the club are now attempting to rake in extra money by trying to persuade people to 'upgrade' their tickets. Just a totally ludicrous operation down there. No other club in professional football would get themselves into a position where a sixth of the ground is stood empty, turning away high demand from both home and away fans, for no reason. If they really wanted to they could get a crowd of over 30,000 on for this. They don't want it because it is just too much hassle. Leeds can pack 36,000 into a 37,000 capacity ground including having home fans underneath away fans in a 60s era stand. No problems. They must have plenty of money at Ewood to be turning away upwards of £100,000 from the 3000 or so extra seats they could have filled had they tried all due to 'advice' that no other club needs to follow.

I wouldn't class him as a senior player at the time he signed it. I think he had just made the breakthrough to the first team from the academy and suspect they just got him onto a senior level deal, rather than improving what was already a senior deal. May be wrong though. We keep hearing these tales of Dolan etc. refusing to sign new deals but there's precious little evidence other than the word of a proven liar that the club is doing anything to address anyone's contract situations. This goes way back to Lenihan, Rothwell etc. They can claim as many times as they like that they are making good offers and trying to secure them but until at least one of them signs and commits I will have my doubts as to how genuine those claims are.

Now would be the perfect time for all concerned for Eustace to get an improved and extended deal. He's approaching a year in the job and has unquestionably done a very good job so far in very difficult circumstances. His original deal expires in 18 months, by the summer it will need addressing in any event. He's done exactly what the Indians want from their manager which is to knuckle down and work with a limited budget and keep the attention off them. Similar to Mowbray in that respect though I think Eustace in private at least will be a lot more ambitious. Already this season we've had his name 'linked' - and I use that word loosely as a lot of it simply seems to be his name appearing in the betting odds - but his name has been mentioned for Hull, Coventry, Stoke and West Brom. Not only is it frankly outrageous that our manager is seriously considered as an option for a move to any of those clubs, summing up the state the Indians have us in, it is also a perfect reason to nip that in the bud with a better deal for him. It would also protect the club more if a club did come in for him, which if current progress continues will happen sooner or later. Sadly all this is too much logic and sense for Venky Rovers and they will see no reason at all to do anything about this until May 2026 when he is already clearing his desk (see Mowbray's final weeks). Contract extensions clearly aren't being authorised by the Indians - when was the last time a senior player or manager signed a new, extended contract?

Will be interesting if Robins does get the Stoke job whether he takes Adi Viveash there with him. A lot of people think that his success at Coventry was in large part down to his good double act with Viveash and the wheels came off this season after Viveash left in the summer.

Plymouth deserve to pay the price for appointing him. It was obvious to most that it was a crazy appointment and one that could cost them their league status, yet on they pushed. Of course the whole media circus and publicity that comes with it was too much for them to turn away.

Totally agree. There is absolutely NO excuse for not backing Eustace this window and strengthening the squad. They can't hide behind FFP because nobody has brought in as much as this club over the last couple of years. They can't use the admin error / rogue secretary excuse again because even the most deluded wouldn't fall for that again. They've been happy to tell us that there are no impediments to Venkys putting money in. It also seems they've been telling Eustace that he will be getting backed with a few signings and that there is money to spend (I reckon they tell every manager this in November / December). So it will be fascinating to see what they do and what they come out with on February 1st when the inevitable failure has occurred. If you aren't going to invest in this position then you never will and there is no point to any of this. We've learned from experience in the last 2-3 years what happens when you fail to back a decent manager and what happens when a small squad runs out of steam. The worst part of all of this is that should we slide away (again) after another January transfer window failure (again) and end up finishing say 9th or 10th come May there will be loads of supporters out there quite happy with that, claiming that it has been a good season and excellent progress following a relegation battle last season. But they will be missing the real point which is that we are on course for a top 6 finish and have an opportunity now to go on and secure it. Aside from the top 3 there are no teams that stand out. So to slide into mid table from here especially if self-inflicted due to a failure to strengthen that would be a failure, and probably one that would lead Eustace and some of our players to look elsewhere for next season.

Ta. It might appear to some to be a trivial minor point but Eustace says "There is some money to spend, I've been told" Key points I take from that is 'some money' and 'I've been told' He isn't saying there is money, he's saying someone has told him there is. That's nothing new, they've been claiming that every transfer window since they turned up. Unfortunately it usually isn't enough to get what we need.

Where and when did he say this? Do you have a link as I haven't seen or heard him say it

I'm afraid with the people we have running Rovers these days even if demand required it I very much doubt they would countenance splitting the Darwen End between home and away fans. Of course they could if they wanted, and should if needed, we did it perfectly well in 2009, but that all sounds like too much hassle to me these days. These days they are selling the home ends short for 400 'segregation' seats that are in totally self contained and separate stands to the away fans, meanwhile away fans can share facilities with home fans including the same stand at most other Championship grounds. They'd sooner max out the away numbers and then leave it at that.

Although if the police and 'SAG' were giving them similar advice to what Rovers allegedly get then they would need to net off 500+ seats in the Cricket Field stand. Inevitably these would have to come off the home allocation rather than reduce the away allocation to a measly 1700. It would probably involve kicking season ticket holders out of their seats. The corner between the Bob Lord stand and Cricket Field is almost touching distance between home and away fans. No netted off seats. No 10ft high steel fence. There remains an old 'box' area actually within the away end which often has home club staff sat in it during games and this is allowed without the need for Berlin Wall style no-mans land. Why?

Yasir has been having his say on the subject when questioned by a supporter. Apparently they are advised that those blocks must be 'segregated' and Rovers have to follow that advice. Once again problems unique to Rovers and Ewood Park and not seen anywhere else in English football because most clubs would fill their grounds rather than turn fans and money away to follow 'advice'.

The decision was made, probably with police input, from the get go that they were having 4000 max in the Darwen End. At that point there should have been a contingency plan in place to maximise use of the Darwen End by allowing use by home fans *if* demand required it and as a last resort. I fully accept that demand for these tickets has come as something of a surprise. I was surprised that we even opened the top tier but with the pace things were going at a fortnight ago it was obvious that if momentum continued a sell out was likely and that alternative arrangements might be required. Lets not mix up demand for this and the Sunderland game with general increases in 'walk ons'. These two games are special situations for traditional historical reasons and would have seen significant increases even if we were in the bottom 3. The results of the team have just added to the increase. None of this gets around the fact that there are AT LEAST 350 seats unavailable in the home ends that could be used. If they were then this would be at least another £10,000 of income for a 'hard up' club and you never know, one or two of those people might be tempted back or into buying a season ticket. We are in no position to turn people away if we don't need to, and until every last seat in the BBE, JW and Riverside is occupied that is what we are doing. Total jobsworths spoiling it by covering blocks of seats up with netting when it isn't required. No other game in the Football League, including the reverse fixture, requires swathes of home areas to be removed from sale. If you need segregation you take it from the away end (4000 to play with there).

Well the club have now taken to social media to announce a 'sell out' of Ewood Park so I suspect it is highly unlikely that they'll release any more tickets, even though we all know they could release another 300+ simply by removing pointless netting. Too much hassle I guess. I'll be kind to them here and accept that rejigging things a week before the game to be able to use the remaining 3-4000 seats in the Darwen End is going to be difficult. Maybe they could have done this from the start and divided the Darwen End between home and away fans but it seems their expectations for this one were considerably short of a full house. Still it annoys me no end that we have a 31000 seat modern stadium and yet will be claiming a sell out over 4000 short of that. Is there another ground in England/anywhere that claims a sell out whilst leaving 14% of its capacity empty? Its bonkers and unique to Ewood but they seem to like being unique.

May well be correct but they've never had a demand to unlock those seats since that day, now they clearly do, I'm also struggling to understand their logic and what it is they think will be prevented by refusing to sell tickets in the front half of the block. Anyone wanting to cause bother can simply walk down to the front and try it. You'd think with a penny pincher like Waggott leading the operation that every single opportunity to get more people in would be used. So will be interesting to see whether they do or instead prefer to keep them empty and turn their noses up at an extra £10k+ in tickets and food/drink.

Probably pigeon shit on the seats needed wiping off and they thought they could get away without needing to do it Down to the last 50 now so we will soon see if they are serious about filling the home ends.

I think he's learned from his boss slippery Steve and has been taught to just come out with any old excuse you can think of when questioned. The majority of the fanbase won't pay any attention or will just accept it as gospel truth and only a small minority like us on here will quickly spot that it is nonsense.

I think the pointless segregation probably comes to more like 350 than 500. There's definitely 160 or so in the JW lower and then in the Riverside I'm not sure how many rows were taken out but I don't think it is the full end block, perhaps just 12-14 rows of 14 seats so perhaps the same again or slightly more. I also think the very front row of the BBE upper has been greyed out from the start, not sure why but they don't seem to ever sell those front rows. In past fixtures they have also netted off some seats at the front of the JW upper near the Darwen End but didn't notice that this time around. So yeah suspect we are currently expecting around 26,400 total, which could easily get up to 26,900-27,000 if the club actually sold all the home seats.

At present there are about 240 remaining tickets, almost all in the BBE upper. There are some additional seats in the JW lower and Riverside that have not been released for sale and you would hope someone at the club would be getting them released. This is the corner block of the JW lower tier, currently covered with revolting 'Venkys' sheets. There are about 160 or so seats there, needlessly covered up. In the Riverside stand end block I think the club have sold the back half, but the front 12 or so rows were never put on sale and if past dingle games are anything to go by will be covered up. The mind boggles as to the reasons behind this as if anyone in the Riverside wanted to confront dingles or attempt to launch missiles towards them they could do so from the walkway at the front, plus there is a 10 foot high metal fence between the two stands making it nigh on impossible for any direct clash of fans anyway So probably another 160 or so there. That's another 300-350 that could be freed up immediately.

Stoke manager sacked. Wonder who next there. Usual names - Robins, Mowbray, Cooper. No doubt Eustace will be 'linked' or at least the Telegraph will claim he is in the reckoning just to stir it up anyway.

Why is it too late? Sheffield Wednesday sold us tickets in the Leppings Lane upper tier the other week, then on the night they simply redirected away fans into the lower tier instead and told us all to find somewhere to sit/stand. We could split the Darwen End down the middle, give them 2500 in the lower tier and 1500 upstairs, place a buffer zone next to it then sell up to a further 3000 in the Darwen End to home fans (if needed). The only obstacle would be deciding which 1500 of their 4000 to put upstairs and which not. I'm sure this isn't insurmountable. If not then simply shove them all in the bottom tier with 1000 spare for a buffer zone at the front and then open the upper tier to home fans. These aren't radical bonkers proposals, it is maximising use of OUR stadium when demand requires it. Something most other clubs do each and every week.

I'd be interested to know the logistics of opening a block or two for home fans in the Darwen End. If the cricket field shed can be shared between home and away fans then the Darwen End certainly can. Of course first we need to sell the 300ish in the upper tier and the 500ish in the Riverside and JW stand that the club hasn't yet mentioned. Magically the 'maintenance' issues of a couple of days ago have been resolved now that we've promptly filled the other blocks and there's still money to be made, so you would hope once the rest of the upper tier goes they'll apply their minds to removing the pointless netting and actually putting people in those remaining seats.

Well I'm glad someone somewhere has seen sense and released the rest of the upper tier. Of course this contradicts the clubs claim earlier in the week that no more would be released, so I wonder whether someone higher up the chain has had a word and told them to get whatever it was sorted out and quickly. This should free up an additional 500 tickets. Hopefully they go and then they can unlock the end blocks of the Riverside and JW lower and actually have a real home sell out.

You watch the Sheffield derby they have home fans at Bramall Lane above the away fans and also no blocked out seats just stewards in the bottom corner between the home and away fans. You watch City v United they have a line of stewards separating home and away fans. Same at Spurs v Arsenal, same at Spurs v West Ham, West Ham v Chelsea, Villa v Wolves and every other derby game going. At Leeds they have a couple of seats netted off between home and away fans, no empty blocks, sometimes even put home fans in the lower tier in front of the away fans. Burnley they have a couple of rows of stewards and a metal shutter between home and away fans. Sunderland they have away fans upstairs lobbing all sorts onto home fans below, so much so they have introduced a policy of confiscating coins from away fans before they enter the ground. Bolton have a 28000 capacity bowl stadium yet are able to get 26000+ in with a single row of stewards between home and away fans. And yet at Ewood Park, 4 separate stands, large metal fence between them, we have to net off 500+ seats in the home ends rather than release them for sale even though demand now requires it. We are a club that would sooner turn people away and turn our noses up at another £15-20,000 for reasons unknown by netting off blocks of the Riverside and Jack Walker lower tier. I could maybe accept it if we had sold a full 8000 to the away club and had no means of putting a buffer in the Darwen End. But we've 4000 empties to use for that purpose in there. Just totally embarrassing and pathetic.