6 minutes ago, 47er said:

Nearly choked when I read that! 2 choices---laugh or cry!!

Not a cat in hells chance. Their stance on black lives matter is tokenism and costs nothing but lip service. It’ll be a rainy day in hell before sky make any decision that has commercial implications. If anything I can almost guarantee increased coverage of Newcastle. Makes me sick.

17 hours ago, GHR said:

I honestly feel totally indifferent about the entire job with Newcastle. Much like the Europeam Super League proposals, this is just the next natural stop along the road we've been on for three decades or so. Next it'll be Liverpool v. Man United being played in Florida because money, or flogging actual team names for sponsorship (Amazon Aston Villa v. GSK Fulham anyone?). I fell out of love with elite level football a long time ago for precisely these reasons.

I similarly wish I was surprised that people are more concerned with the transfer gossip they can now be involved in, than the truly abhorrent skeletons in the open, let alone the closet, their new owners now have. In this post-Venky world we all like to imagine, I would genuinely rather us be skint and all into obscurity in the North West Counties with not a thing to call our own than have what Newcastle have just landed. 

You get nothing if you gain the world at the cost of your soul.

I agree completely. Usually I view these things with indifference but the fact this regime is being allowed to sanitize itself in British sport is appalling. Their human rights record, support of terrorism,treatment of women and views on gay rights should make it impossible to pass the fit and proper test. Surprisingly not in the premiership. They really should hang there corporate self serving money making heads in shame. Sky should refuse to show their games as they have shown with their support of black lives matters that they are prepared to take a stance. This is not about football it’s about standing up to a vile and oppressive regime

The basic problem is the old one after 4/5 years we lack the organisational ability and resilience to defend as a group. I can’t remember which one of the old arsenal defenders said” they were told to imagine they were strapped together by a rope and move as a unit”. The first sign of pressure we fold it’s every man for themselves. It’s all just very amateurish. We will finish mid table due to individual ability negated by poor organisation. The first one requires little management input the second one is all about management.

Just now, bluebruce said:

Yeh, no.

And what portion of this mammoth fictional salary do you think we are paying?

None I hope judging from what I’ve seen they should be paying us

14 minutes ago, AAK said:

Totally agree, the whole team defensively is atrocious, it’s not just the back 4 it’s the team as a whole, you can see, clearly, that they are not trained to defend, they have no idea how to defend as a team, it’s like watching schoolboys. 

And to achieve that has taken the best part of five years. It’s not that this is because we are a young team we were worse last season. We are 6th heading for 16th. The script is already written.

I’m not sure if Covid and looking at what is happening at a lot of the clubs in the championship a new sense of commercial realism is wrong.

I agree that nyambe lenihan rothwell are regular first team players but are they going to get substantial wage increase at any other club. None are premiership quality so it’s championship or league one. The only teams who could offer substantial wage increases are those with parachute money and would they pay large sums to potential squad players who may not even play if they are promoted.

We released 12 players in summer that we were paying large wages for did any go on to bigger and better things. Yet historically we continued the cycle of increased contracts due to fear of losing them. 
I don’t know the offers on the table but we as a club are in a position were our viability is more important than their every increasing wage demands. I also don’t think we are the only club now taking a long hard look at the road we’ve been travelling 

29 minutes ago, Tugay-is-God said:

Grealish, for one.

It's funny to go back and look at some of the 2018-2019 Dack vs Grealish debates.

It is but the fact that debate was being had tells you how good he was/ is.  The point your making supports the point I was making. I’ve conceded not the best. However comparisons to Grealish tells you the case he was in

5 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

A stretch.

One of the best players yes, but not 'the' best player. 

Who was better. I suppose players coming down from the premiership but are they that much better. Better paid. I suppose it all personal opinion. So for me the best but I’ll concide to one of the best. One thing is sure there isn’t a single championship team that would not want him as part of their team

Hypothetically if we are there or there abouts what a great addition Dack will be. He was the best player in this league before his injuries. 

4 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

That tickles me. 😄

Yeah and it’s true after 30 odd years of marriage she’s learned the hard way to humour me as far as Rovers are concerned

Just now, bluebruce said:

You've got me suddenly wondering what kind of tinkering fuckery we can expect when Dack is back...

I’m working in Cornwall and I was on a walk to st Agnes with my wife and I said exactly the same thing to her. Dack is our talisman but it may create serious strategy issues for our general

Mowbray is far better with limited resources and not allowing him to spend or bring in expensive loans  stops his tinkering to keep everyone happy and as a result it brings stability to the team. In the past when injuries have limited his options our results have improved. As a manager he is the exact same animal now as last season the only thing that’s changed is circumstances all the old high earners released or sold and no recruitment. It may strangely work in his and more importantly our favour. I am holding my breath like everyone else because previous experience tells me there is always the death spiral just around the corner.

In the Cardiff thread was it my defence of the Norway guy that was regarded as unacceptable. I don’t feel it was aggressive or controversial. I felt the reponse to his post was awful. In response to AKK I merely expressed those views. It was I agree an opinion but censorship was I feel unnecessary and heavy handed

25 minutes ago, J*B said:

Collateral, sadly. Your post was fine but it quoted another which wasn’t. If we leave yours up, the quoted post is still viewable. 

So was it my post defending the Norway lad that was not acceptable 

11 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Because if you criticise them when we lose, they get credit when we win. 

Its stubborn pig headedness to look at it any other way  

That as made me laugh no end. It’s the simplicity that makes it hilarious 

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Great result and the team looks to be really well balanced which is a tribute to the management team.

Why would you do that. 

2 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Cardiff have been woeful today. Exactly the opposite of what you’d expect from a McCarthy team- toothless in attack and like a sieve at the back.

Good

I think a win today 8 games in still in our usual early season good form. Praying it continues the test comes after 12 games in that is usually when the wind changes. Prediction 3 v1 today.

ive just recognised that I’ve become a pessimist. 

As it stands we’ve got off to a good start and sit in the play off places. Logic would say Mowbray is safe but this is Venkies. Kean went when we were 4th. I’ve got my fingers crossed that they randomly pull the trigger because now would be the ideal time for a new manager

33 minutes ago, Gav said:

You're original point was Mowbray has had a decent budget to spend, I said he hasn't since 2019, you don't get promoted from this league without buying decent players.

What you actually mean is he's been able to pay wages, well who hasn't? But those wages are poor and the reason why we signed nobody in the summer of note.

We are a mid table championship side, have the budget of a mid table championship side and will end up mid table.

Venkys Out.

 

 

I agree Gav but the only way a mid championship side gets out of this league is by having a visionary manager. : see dyche as an example. He is a run of the mill championship manager/league one. He will never be any more. That’s not a failing but a fact and not due to Venkies but down to ability. So while like everyone I agree Venkies  are the problem that does not excuse him. 
I don’t think he’s the worst we’ve had but he has run his course and will take us no further. That is not only a football thing but happens in every industry. For every excuse there’s an explanation to you make one I’ll explain it. He’s not good enough and Venkies or not he’s proved that previously his mistakes are repetitive due to his limitations.

11 hours ago, PeteJD13 said:

No so sure why Mowbray would be about to lose his job when we’re 8th, if we are still top 10 in three months I’d expect him to get a new deal. 

I haven’t read all the responses because I’ve just got in. I’ll answer that for you from experience because by Christmas or shortly after we will be on a long losing streak. I’ll guarantee that it’s a given

Sorry Saturday before I get a lot of jip 

6 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

All of these loan signings for me is a case of Mowbray throwing enough sh*t at the wall and seeing what sticks. I’ll wager they’ll be more Barry Douglas than Harvey Elliot, but even if one has a half decent season, he won’t stop banging on about it for yonks afterwards.

I just pray that he’ll be doing it at a different club next season. 

I agree. For me this is a dead season. Let’s not get relegated keep whatever money has been generated to ward off ffp and let’s see the back of Mowbray.

Next season hopefully new manager fresh ideas. Venkies surely have to get it right eventually.

Having said that off to boro tomorrow and still excited. I’m a walking contradiction 

11 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Lets have a look back at this two years from now....

I'm no great supporter of Mowbray but it can (and likely is) going to get a lot worse.

So the captain of our ship has been at the helm for five years.  The ship is in collision course with the rocks but you can’t blame the captain. It’s not his fault he put together the wrong crew, set the wrong course and didn’t correct his course when the compass told him he was heading in the wrong direction.

No it’s the absentee owners fault who have trusted him and his fellow officers to get the job done with substantial funds.

Whats the answer don’t replace him because things could get worse. I will never look back with any fondness on the Mowbray years. He’s an out of touch, self preserving old dinosaur. Even the Forest fans recognised this eleven he tried to defend Hughton. 
PS Let’s see if he’s given a 2 wins in 17 run before he’s potted. We all know he won’t be because only at rovers is failure and mediocrity tolerated and only our fans would try and defend it as though it could be worse if we remove him