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And no place for that sort of behaviour either

Have a good night's sleep and think it over. For all you know those "gutless bastards" may include former members of the Armed Forces, people who have fought against cancer, overcome injustice etc.

Simply no place for describing Rovers supporters who hold different views to yourself in those terms.

Agreed. And unfortunately I think your final sentence is correct as to how they would proceed.

Unfortunately very very average is the best they have done so far after nine years and four of their appointments were much worse than that

We will probably have to agree to differ. I get the impression that they are prepared to shell out on assets on which they think they can turn a profit but do not believe in paying above the normal going rate for employees like managers.

Unless we get lucky with Mowbray's approach yielding results or a new Messiah appearing as manager that nobody could realistically have forecast then you are correct

As you say, the key is finding them . Do you see Venkys managing to do that given their track record ? Even if they did would we be a more attractive proposition than other clubs who might come calling for the individual in question ? Cowley is reputed to have demanded and got a salary package of £1m a year before he would go to Huddersfield but can you imagine Venkys being prepared to pay that ?

I am not following the owners blindly - a large number of my posts provide critical comment on them - but I see no reason to allow their incompetence to drive me away from the club although of course you have the choice to do what you want. Ultimately I believe we are supporters of the club and not customers and I conduct myself accordingly.

I'm prepared to question the club but not to walk away from it

Why do they have to start off "at a decent level" rather than prove themselves lower down the scale ? Alex Ferguson started at East Stirling

I believe in "We'll support you evermore" and don't shop around like a consumer which is not the attitude I associate with true supporters. I am old enough to remember when second level mediocrity was an upgrade on what we were presented with but I didn't desert the club then and won't now. I don't like the present level of performances and believe that there are other managers who could get better results than the present incumbent - but I don't trust the owners to make that appointment and will stick with Mowbray at least until the end of the season

I think the point that is being made is that there is a significant risk of a disastrous new appointment which would make relegation far more likely - perhaps probable - and in the circumstances sticking for the rest of the season with a man who some of us believe won't get the club relegated is the right course of action

I don't think the people like me who feel this way think that we will be competing at the right end of the table - just that we don't think we'll go down either under Tony Mowbray and there is a serious risk of a really disastrous appointment being made if he were fired

That's the problem in a nutshell

But maybe the funds have now been spent and in any case does the manager have the say as to how they are spent ? Additionally what sort of wage are Venkys prepared to commit to a manager and his team ? As I have said before anyone anyone any good will have a choice as to where they work ( I suspect the likes of Hughton and Moyes are waiting on much better jobs than us ) and Venkys standing in the game is very poor - hence Lambert only coming to us with a get-out clause in his contract

Good analysis - we appear to have bought in to a fashionable concept with "possession football" without having the players to execute it. We need to approach games with a higher tempo

With the best will in the world how likely do you think it is that either of those two would find working for Venkys an attractive proposition ?

Been out of work for three years

Why not ? What motive could the club have for dissembling ?

Who is this unnamed manager ? How likely is it that in identifying their eighth managerial appointment in nine years that Venkys would manage to get it so right when they have not managed it before ? How likely is it that this outstanding individual would choose to join us over other clubs ? If we are so bad why do you keep frittering your money away on backing us to win games when you could give the money to a worthwhile charity ?

Please don't tell Mercer

You can get 14/1 with SkyBet

Well currently the shortest price being quoted by bookmakers on us being relegated is 8/1 so clearly they don't see it as that likely. 15 points from 12 games is no great shakes but equally is never going to mean relegation

He didn't two years ago