I get what you're saying and to a large extent I agree. Winning is a good habit to develop and something we should always aspire to. Mowbray saying what he did is just wrong but that's also why I don't like it when people on here say I hope we lose. It just sticks in my craw. By the way, that doesn't mean I want to keep Mowbray - he needs potting. Dreadfully disappointing season after some early promising signs. The time is right for a younger, more dynamic and motivational manager who can hopefully take us to the next level.

Pretty reasonable ratings although I wouldn't have given Elliott a 9. More like a 7.5/8 for me. Pears is shocking. We really need Kaminski not to get injured. Harwood-Bellis would take again but I fear that horse has bolted and someone better than us will snaffle him up for next season. Trybull - if we get rid of Johnson and Evans (fingers crossed), I'd try for him and then add another decent centre mid to the squad too. I know he's a bit marmite but I don't mind him personally.

Brereton's still young so I'm prepared to persevere with him. I want to see what tune a new manager can get out of him as I believe he does have a lot of attributes just - needs to learn how to use them consistently and effectively.

Some churlish comments on here. Yeah we're all fed up and want the manager gone but there are some decent goals in that selection. When you look at them though it helps confirm how much we imploded this season after a fine early start - none of the goals seem to be after January 2021 with most of them from very early in the season!

Good spot but begs the response that there's been a hell of a lot of games since then. I have to say that for all the times our central defenders trot up for corners I never have any real expectation that they'll score..

I don't think any have scored...Douglas has come mighty close though.

Indeed it is - we need a new manager for lots of reasons, just one of them being I'm far from convinced he'll even get rid of all the deadwood we've had for far too long.

I know, they were aspirational 'get rids' given that one is rubbish and one's a croc...

For me it's clean sweep time. Kaminski - keep Pears - get rid, not even good enough to be a no 2 keeper, get a decent one in Bell - get rid Nyambe/JRC - keep one of 'em, I'd edge towards JRC and bring in a proper RB to compete Evans - get rid Douglas - been a massive disappointment but might be worth a punt if (big if) he can stay fit to compete with Pickering for LB Wharton - keep but it's going to be a long road back. Benno - get rid Holtby - let him go (he wants to be in Germany with his missus and has tailed off badly in addition to not getting any younger) Trybull - this one is tin hat time but I'd try and get him if Holtby and Evans are off. Obviously at least one other CM would also be needed though Davenport - seems a bit lightweight - keep as a squad player? Buckley - see above.. Johnson - get rid Downing - get rid Ayala - would love to get rid but I'm afraid he's the new Grella Lenihan - if he wasn't the best of a bad bunch I'd say bye to him too - keep with gritted teeth Travis - keep but badly needs a full pre-season Rothwell - toss a coin, can tantalise and infuriate several times in the same game.. Dolan - keep, shown some promise Dack - long road back for him too. Really feel for him, hope he can relaunch his career. Brereton - tin hat again , still believe he has something, early this season was borderline unplayable at times. Can a new manager do something with him? I'd like to see. Gallagher - can't get past the feeling he's going backwards. Might the new manager bounce help or do we cut our losses and sell him.. Armstrong - can't see him staying. Sell him for good money and hopefully reinvest the lot. Rest of the loanees - Elliott, thanks, you're going to have a career.. Harwood Bellis - ditto, Branthwaite - premiership quality?, need convincing. As I said in an earlier post, it feels like there's an awful lot of work to do.

They should also remember that once Harwood-Bellis goes home the defence Pickering's joining aint no great shakes either..

Whichever way you look at it a major rebuild is going to be required for next season.

Texas voted for a complete fraudster not so long ago so I wouldn't get your hopes up...

I think I'm right in saying that we've scored a miserly 9 goals in the last 14 games and that's pathetic. We're a shadow of the team that started the season and whilst some of the players need to take a long look in the mirror the buck ultimately stops with Mowbray. I'd personally get rid and move Johnson up to take a look at him for the rest of this season. Can't do any worse than what Mowbray's currently achieving.

That would be because he has no composure on the ball.. he can go in the summer for me.

Brereton looked a proper player at the start of the season but then he wasn't the only one. The excitement at the start of the season with the way we were playing was palpable for many of us and the fact we've ended up being so rubbish for months now is both unfathomable and unacceptable and is the reason why Tony has to go...

It is damning Evans is still around and getting starts - says it all really.

Can't see anything but a Norwich win given their form, our lack of form and all the players we've got out injured. Shame we can't play Trybull today. I'd be looking to sign him and lose Evans at the end of the season but until we sort out the defence we're on a hiding to nothing. No way are we getting promoted with Wharton, Lenihan and Ayala..

I agree that his time's up. Most club/manager relationships have a finite lifespan and Mowbray's arrived there especially as it's going to be a re-build job this summer considering toe amount of out of contracts and loans who'll be leaving us. I'd like to see someone younger and hungrier than Mowbray - he always has the look of a man who's lost a tenner and found a fiver. I like what the guy has done with Barnsley considering the fairly meagre resources.

Doomed in the sense that they were one of the worst squads we've ever had and had League 1 written all over them.

The main issue for me regarding Coyle was the sheer stupidity of the numpty who thought hiring him in the first place was ever going to work - an ex-dingle and someone who'd done nothing since somehow getting them to the premier league several years earlier.

Coyle also effectively relegated us (remember where we were when we sacked him) so don't forget to add that to his outstanding resume... I'm sure you'll blame Mowbray for that too but that team was doomed long before he rocked up.

It's come to something when people are using Coyle to beat up Mowbray. Mowbray has hit the point where an amicable parting of the ways is needed but to imply he's worse than Coyle is risible.

I'd have him here too - time for Evans on.

I think he probably feels he has a point to prove.