You think that is uncivil?

That’s a big IF but I would agree. After all this I hope we do at least sign Brereton because arguing over the price will be nothing compared to the lack of grace if we actually don’t have real money to spend and its all bluster.

A good post. But it polarises the debate again in absolutes. You’ve made the argument: £8m for Brereton or buying no-one. Neither are what we should be doing with our squad as it is. However, I’d prefer to stick with your opening offer. Brereton, Chapman and Bauer for £10m would be a successful window - when you include Armstrong, Davenport, Rothwell, and (hopefully) Palmer.

Rhodes had scored a ridiculous number of goals at the level just below ours. It was a lot of money - which is why he got pelters on here (for not being the complete striker despite still scoring). Brereton has it all to prove. The only goalposts I’m moving though is the price. Which is my only real problem with this one. (Because we have other areas that we could strengthen with that £8m).

Sounds like you have an inferiority complex pal. Your problem not mine.

That seals it then. Sign him up. Rhodes was a calculated gamble based on his record. This time we are gambling on the lad’s physique. If we spend £4m plus add-ons up to an unlikely £8m then I’ll join the championing of these attributes and potential. But if we spend £8m in instalments rising to £12m in add-ons then he should be under pressure to succeed from the off.

Needlessly insulting and therefore not worthy of a response.

We all want a player with pace and power - expect most football managers do. With Brereton we are gambling on IF and WHEN he might become that player. Right now it’s all about potential. That’s something this club isn’t short of. What we are short of is proven quality at this level. And we are paying a finished article price - by Championship standards. My argument is that we could get that for less.

I’m not putting words into anyone’s mouth, just asking if that was an option. I’m trying to illustrate the one player vs two argument (for the same money).

On that basis we absolutely should not be signing this kid. If it takes £8m to add the right kind of player to our squad then we are going to need to spend that again in every one of those next 3-4 windows. Without losing any payers we want to keep. “A sustained challenge” is an interesting phrase. It’s the spin on: “missing out several times”. We fans have to live with that but these players don’t. Dack and Lenihan will be on other clubs’ scouting radars you can be sure. For me, £8m now means being play-off contenders this season. If Brereton is that player, great, but right now I (and most others) only see potential. If we are building slowly (a noble idea) then we should be scouting better and spending less. We are trying to have a rational discussion about something that is completely irrational but it’s good that people are being civil.

Wonder if people would prefer Brereton or Maddison and Bauer?

He has only played for England U19s and not even yet the U21s. If he is so good in the Championship, why can’t he get into Forest’s first team. If we sign him for £8m then he is going to have to be a first team starter every week and be scoring from day one. That’s a big leap.

“Guaranteed resale value”? Nothing is guaranteed. Brereton will also want an improved wage. The more people try to justify gambling £8m on one unproven player the more I think we shouldn’t. The main argument being made for signing this lad is that his value will increase massively. This is sales patter and the kind of argument put forward as a reason for buying the huge prospect, 22yo David Goodwillie. He cost £2.8m. (At the same time 26yo Danny Graham moved to Swansea for £3.5m. 27yo Beckford to Leicester, £3m). Goodwillie’s career didn’t quite work out as planned. If we didn’t have this supposed budget of £8m and this hadn’t been leaked nobody would be contemplating this one. In fact, the same people would have (because they have) been rubbishing any demands to spend such money “because of FFP” and “Mowbray wants to build the team properly” (something he is quoted as saying) and loads of other reasons - because they have all been used in the past. All things I’m saying about this £8m would have been said. Suddenly because of recent budget rumours and the #trusttony movement it’s a no-brainer. Some posters are starting to sound like a child trying to convince his parents that he “really needs” an iPhone X for his 11th birthday simply because his dad happened to have a wander round the Apple Store!

Fair dos and an honest reply - appreciated. Using your guesses then but I’m not giving you 5 years, you can have 4 - the same as Grabban got at Forest and one more year than Waghorn got at Derby. Brereton £13k per for 4 years + £8m = £10.7m Waghorn £17.5k pw for 4 year + £5m = £8.6m Grabban £30k pw for 4 years + £6m = £12.2m So Grabban is £1.5m per year more than Brereton and Waghorn £2m cheaper! Not sure an unproven Brereton represents value for money in comparison. I think people are just desperate for Venkys to splash the cash. I actually hope they do but on the right player(s). Brereton could be a success. The next Shearer. A £20m future sale. But it’s a big gamble and there are or were better options.

You can’t have been here long pal. This is den’s thing and I’m determined not to bite!

Brereton will cost £8m plus wages - which are usually commensurate with the transfer fee. Surely Grabban wouldn’t be earning £500k per year more than Brereton will want? (For a four year deal). Or £750k per year more than Waghorn?

Agreed. Shame they couldn’t do that when the imposter and his pals were tearing it apart in front of us all.

More of a dig at who is telling Nicko (or Sharpe) I’d say. Loose lips cost loans.

A player barely any of us would have suggested as a target two weeks ago and who is a definite gamble (and can’t get into Forest’s First XI) is suddenly an £8m investment to make £20m sale. Be honest that’s a bit of a stretch. There is better value out there if you have the money to spend - which everyone believes we do... McGinn to Villa, £3m Marriott to Derby, £3m Waghorn to Derby, £5m Bamford to Leeds, £7m Grabban to Forest, £6m Baldack to Reading, £3.5m People are getting a little carried away at the whiff of cash and want to ignore the Venkys history that the “doom mongers” (ha!) are cautious of.

Paul Gallagher should should have been sent off for nobbers. Elbow to the face completely unpunished. Might get a retrospective one for that.l but not before he scored a penalty. When you compare to some of the pedantic yellows we were given today...! Really needs sorting. The standards of refereeing have fallen badly.

What happened after our second successive relegation?

Jamie Vermiglio - Jansen’s assistant http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/16315699.jamie-vermiglio-has-revealed-his-pride-at-being-appointed-chorley-fc-manager-and-his-resolve-to-build-a-winning-side-with-a-certai/

Feel free to add them @Mattyblue. Not planning to include Mancs or Scousers. Otherwise we’ll have to do Warrington, Tranmere, etc. Wigan and Bolton were a stretch really. See how it goes. I was more impressed with Chorley!

A good day (almost) all round for Lancashire sides today. Lancashire County Stanley getting a creditable 1-1 draw at home to Charlton with Clarke cancelling out Ahearne-Grant’s 15th minute opener in the 78th minute. Chorley make it five wins from five to sit at the top of the National League North after a 1-0 win at home to fourth places Hereford. Bury nicked a point in the 90th minute at home to Forest Green Rovers. Aimson equalising after the away side saw former Blackburn Rover, Gavin Gunning, sent off in the 76th minute. Oldham got their first win with a 3-1 result against pointless Macclesfield Town. Bolton won 1-0 away at Reading which sees them up to fifth. Wigan snatched a draw from the clutches of victory after an injury time penalty was scored from the rebound. They had led 2-1 from the 31st minute after a Will Grigg penalty. Preston currently 0-0 at home to Stoke with 26 minutes gone. Burnley play at home to Watford tomorrow. Lancashire Coast Fleetwood 2 Rochdale 2 with a 95th minute leveller from Henderson’s second. Blackpool get a point in a 0-0 game away at hapless Shrewsbury. Fylde demolished Dover 4-0 to go third in the National League. Southport won 4-1 away at Nuneaton in an early basement battle in the National League North. Meanwhile Morecambe lost 1-0 away at Stevenage to ruin the clean sweep for Lanky sides and sit bottom of League Two after three games.