Whose suggesting "constantly" changing the manager? Warnock is a results based manager.

We are 6 teams off top 6! And there's clubs below us waiting for our next slip.

Well there's 11 clubs above us for a start!

The danger is that if we fail again to get top 6, never mind promotion, some of the best players we've got will decide to try pastures new. And who could blame them? We've got a Top 6 squad which probably won't make top 6. If its not the manager to blame who is it? Why should we do nothing about it? And don't blame injuries.

OOH,I don't think so!! Any evidence for that? We're going back a while but I clearly remember Gav celebrating when Sam got the chop.He's a Mowbray In fan! But you're positing the opposite and i don't think its true.

We can't beat teams above us can we? That's a lot of points we aren't getting.

Oh don't worry I'm totally resigned to seeing what he can do in the summer!

We do it at the end of every season but Mowbray stays for the next one.

Mowbray saying we were the better side in the second half but I thought we were so fortunate to be only 1 down in the first. Game could have been out of sight by half-time. That middle three is too light-weight for me. We either need 4 or a tougher three. Missing Travis so much.. Not going up, not going to make top 6 although most of us think we have a squad capable of it. And let's remember that the match-winner Pukki couldn't hack it in the Premiership, he's not a world-beater.

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Not confident about this game. A draw I predict. Means 2 points out of 9 😂

For the first and possibly only time I agree with every single word you wrote Gav!😍

No I didn't miss it but its not a created clear chance. You see those go wide everyday. You went well beyond that.

Gav you don't half talk some rubbish. You've lumped me in with some people you've identified apparently arguing that things aren't better than last season Who" Straw man? My comments after the game were overwhelmingly positive: "Hard to take that result. We were clearly the better side. We had a big period of domination mid-first half but couldn't make it count. I was feeling very uneasy just before they scored as they had a 10 minutes of possession in our half for just about the first time in the game. And a real scrappy, ugly goal was the outcome. We didn't create many clear chances tbh for all our possession and Armstrong scuffed just about all of them. Gallagher is a tremendous worker but what a poor first touch. Our man of the match for me was Rothwell, he's going to be some player. Elliott showed sublime skills, Liverpool have a lot to look forward to there. Defence had them in their pocket. Just one of those games I'm afraid.Like Bournemouth again." You might remember that post Gav----you "liked' it after all! What you've done is to take some later posts out of context. I was aiming at those blaming the defence for the defeat, I though they played pretty well but one slip or favourable bounce happens in any game. When it happened to us it shouldn't have changed the result because we had dominated them from start to almost finish. Finally I stand by my comments that we created no clear chances ie where I leaped up and shouted "Gosh he should have put that one away. What a pity" (or words to that effect"! That includes Ayala's routine header from a routine corner. Hardly a piece of creation Gav.

We created NO clear chances. Not one in the whole 90 minutes.

As I keep saying, if the defence had been perfect, we would have drawn nil-nil. Unlike previous losses where we are lamenting missed chances, we didn't miss any clear chances yesterday. There simply weren't any.

What we missed last night was some big bloke who could mix it with their central defence and give them something to worry about.We have no presence in the air up front . There isn't anyone in the club like this Samual was the last one.. Whose fault is that? They had it for the last few minutes and won the game. The basics are under-rated by TM.

Quite a few but a toddler could have stopped them!

The defence conceded one goal! And that a scrappy one with some luck involved (which we never got.) You're praising the attack but we didn't score!! Even if the defence had kept that one out we'd still have only got one point where we deserved 3! I think this top goal-scoring stuff has gone to Arma's head by the way. He didn't ever look for a colleague in a better position and his shooting skills were woeful.

Yes you're probably right!

Hard to take that result. We were clearly the better side. We had a big period of domination mid-first half but couldn't make it count. I was feeling very uneasy just before they scored as they had a 10 minutes of possession in our half for just about the first time in the game. And a real scrappy, ugly goal was the outcome. We didn't create many clear chances tbh for all our possession and Armstrong scuffed just about all of them. Gallagher is a tremendous worker but what a poor first touch. Our man of the match for me was Rothwell, he's going to be some player. Elliott showed sublime skills, Liverpool have a lot to look forward to there. Defence had them in their pocket. Just one of those games I'm afraid.Like Bournemouth again.

OK JBiz--let's stop it here. You think TM is a "great manager". I think he's quite ordinary. And you're cheating with your comparisons. eg "Mark Hughes is a great manager" is not the same as "Mark Hughes was a great manager for us" as well you know! Similarly Moyes was a great manager for Everton but rubbish for Manure, and finally found his level imo with West Ham. ergo not a great manager. The End.

Sorry---make that "70 year love affair." Tempus fugit and all that!

"Subjective semantics"----cuts both ways! He's not a great manager though whichever way you look at it. Great managers win trophies. He's merely the best Venkys could come up with, which isn't really saying very much.