However did football manage before these lads turned up with their ipads, degrees and percentages.  Its improved the game and the managers no end, i wonder if stats can be bet on by any chance ?

1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Sell the lot for housing and build outside of the RV if the rumours posted on here about Waggott mouthing off are correct.

That's what i'd expect or maybe sell off the smaller site instead. Seed already sown with Mowbray wanting seniors training on the other bit.

After all the feelers out and dealing with RVC on this 'shelved' project i'm sure they've got a few inside tips on what else might just be favorable instead.

They'd perhaps get a nice deal for the whole site from some huge developer or fund who's happy just to sit on it for a while. Maybe even - shock horror - rent it back to them !

17 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Stop messing with ourtraining ground factilities that Uncle Jack Walker left to the fans and club Waggott and Mowbray. Improve yes but knocking them down no thanks. 

Mowbray is obsess with the training ground being in open. Hughes, Allardyce, Lambert or Bowyer never had a problem with it. So Mowbray if you dont like it then leave the job. I'm fed up with him moaning about it

Just another convenient excuse for the biggest excuse maker the club has had. 

If TM drops his tooth brush in the morning he must spend ten mins telling his wife about all the faults in the bathroom. Nothing to do with his own hands.

Someone tell him Don McKay got Rovers to 3 play offs and won a pot at Wembley training them on public parks.

'Shelved' being the operative word, not scrapped or cancelled but shelved.

Be interesting to see what plan B is.

6 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Incorrect haha, mate has a master's in sports analysis and said xG is absolutely useless and the club's don't ever use it.

I was on about the ones telling us on twitter that everything is fine  because the some of the sums add up 🤣

2 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

I agree with that on a one off basis.  I think now its another flop, then another....so the pressure increases irrespective of the money really. Mowbray has a very poor transfer record.  The pressure is on to deliver a good signing 

This is what i was getting at, the young ones signed so far might not have cost much in transfers but the wages add up.

Both Bell and Brereton should have been loaned out long ago.  1 to free up a wage or percentage.  The other to get some time under his belt and build his match strength. He doesn't like doing that with his signings that aren't working though.

Chapman probably had to tell him where to go in order to get bombed out.

1 minute ago, JoeH said:

Difference is the risk we've taken on a young player in Pickering is minimal, peanuts in comparison to Brereton.

As was Bell, it's the long contract and efforts to justify them that causes problems if they aren't up to it. 

Bell was a long term signing - He looks no different, better or worse than when he first turned up.

Brereton was a very expensive long term signing - The jury is eating a lot of sandwiches and drinking a lot of tea on that one still.

Chapman was a long term signing - say no more.

So the cv on that approach is very underwhelming with this present regime.  Maybe pages full of stats approach will yield better.  Because the judgement hasn't been very good so far.

Young players we produce ourselves tend to fare better or as well at least.

If you've got an Hons degree in it or whatever then there'll be a need to willy wave it around.

2 hours ago, 4000Holes said:

Shite:  just been called in for my COVID-19 vaccination at 18:10 on Friday.

By 18:15 I will have a sore arm and we will be 2 down.

It'll be more fun, another plus is if we win and it wipes you out for a day or two you won't have to suffer Mowbrays gloating smirk and his disciples spilling out the woodwork.

29 minutes ago, DE. said:

So they think they can trust the likes of HSH and the Coventrio but not actual Rovers fans whose only motivation would be to see the club succeed? Makes sense.

That's about the size of it.

Along with them probably being cheap on the commission front and having a few desperado's on their books.

A few of them might get into top 6 sides but very few of them  would stay in going off what we see here.

Then again it's all about finding their niche in a decent functioning team.  That rarely happens here they don't get chance to find any consistency in a lot of cases. They way the team is run and the turnover of players off and on is counter productive to that.

In this instance it's understandable they might sell Armstrong and use what profit there is to balance the books. Hard as it is to swallow it's not unusual that side of it this time is bad luck.

Still swings back to the manager though for pishing all that money away on two guys he can't make head or tail of. He should be potted for that but i think it might actually be something that helps keep him in a job. He'll be telling the owners he can adjust play again and make one of them shine and double in value. They'll probably swallow it as well.

We all know though we are in the mire next season for goals if we lose him.

Rhodes to Graham to Armstrong to what ? 

They are happy to take huge losses and waste other millions if it's the right people in their eyes doing the wasting.

Those doing it now want to cut it to impress the owners even if it means the club shrinking even further. Because their wages and bonuses don't so they don't give a toss.

7 hours ago, TheRoversReturn said:

Seems like the best we can hope for is for him to move on in the summer. I don't buy it. There'll be "talks" taking place, we'll get our hopes up and in the end we'll be told that next season it's the playoffs or bust. Once the season starts, it'll be as if this death spiral (nor his previous, for that matter) never happened.

So yes, this Mowbray reign has the potential to turn very Keanesque in that regard.  I'm expecting summer 2021 to be a replay of summer 2011. That led to relegation, will we be talking along those lines for next season too?

Expecting similar although maybe more akin to the Coyle summer.  A few good ones sold, others let go then cheapo squaddies and some over age odd ball waste of wage signings.

Then into next season and Mowbray moving the goalposts every few months. Finally coming out with 'maybe we have to take a step back in the journey to take two forwards..  I think all the assumption from his first half season here that he'd have had us midtable in a full season with a diminished squad will be put to the full next soon.

6 minutes ago, J*B said:

The problem I’ve always found is that Venkys feel taken advantage of and that’s the memo. If we drive Pasha out we’re not going to help with that. We’re just making it even harder for them. This is all my opinion of course - but I personally think the only way out of this is to work with Suhail and gain Venkys trust as fans.

The absolute worst thing you can do is email them/phone them/WhatsApp them saying “Waggott, Mowbray and Cheston are all rubbish, they’re not to be trusted, I know people that can do their job better” or similar. They’ll never trust a word you say and you’ll be forever branded as someone trying to take advantage. 

Impossible to work with anyone who doesn't engage with fans.

It seems to me they've been poisoned by the one's they seem to prefer to trust that fans are the enemy. Yet it's those they chose to trust who take advantage and rip them off. Not the supporters who more often than not end up being the ones who were right.

Until they wise up to this and realize a club is nothing without its fans and start engaging with them there'll never be any real progress.

1 minute ago, J*B said:

Last time I looked Venkys personal bodyguards still used this forum to assess opinion. I’d start there 🙂

No not at all, this man is tasked with looking after his bosses toy so i'm afraid it should be him under the spotlight.  It should be a very bright one as well.

A bodyguard isn't going to make any difference, they didn't under Keans watch.

If you want answers you go to the very top and its been made public this guy is the pipeline to Balaji.  He needs rooting from the shadows finally he's had a charmed life whilst he's been here compared to others.

Just now, J*B said:

There really isn’t much to say that hasn’t been said. He’s a nice enough guy for what it’s worth. Obviously knew very little about football originally but understands it more now. Wants the club to do well, wants to protect the owners, doesn't want any limelight, doesn’t trust many.

All of these people are here because it’s a job. One of the hardest things for fans to get around is that this is just work to them, there isn’t the level of passion that the fans have.

I think fans most fans fully understand that and its been highlighted as a problem. Someone like him isn't going to grow into the job and do their best putting the club first like someone such as Williams say.

I reckon he'll just want an easy life and try and keep a balance between what those here say and what his boss says.  Tricky job for him so probably best to always try not to upset the applecart either end.

That sadly is no good for the progress of the club, for all we know he protects what's going on here and feeds his boss all the stats stuff.

Shouldn't be anywhere near running the place, no wonder he hides.

30 minutes ago, J*B said:

Yes I’ve protested/boycotted in different capacities since Kean. I think it’s achieved plenty - I’d like to think I played a small role (like all other protesters) in Kean walking, I’ve sat through meetings with members of the Rovers boards offering opinions, strangely I was once consulted on transfer business one season, I’ve spoken to Waggot and Pasha about the club and how I feel about it. I don’t think any of that would have happened if I hadn’t been involved in protests.

As with every post I’ve ever made in here, it comes with a caveat that I post what people tell me. Not everyone - but if I think it sounds plausible, I post it. Some turn out to be right (latest one Dani Ayala), some turn out to be wrong.  That’s the way it goes - but I’ll always post what I’m tipped off with. 

I’ve absolutely no idea what your last sentence means. 

I wouldn't know Pasha if i fell over him so as someone who's spoken to the guy what are your impressions ?   If you don't mind sharing them obviously, understand if you'd rather pledge the 5th but i'd just be interested to know.

As the resident enigma or Phantom of the Opera hiding behind curtains it's about time we got an idea of what he's like.

3 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

I heard another one today for the first time..."goal involvement " what a crock of shit.  Basically the young morons don't just want to be over paid, they want glory on every scale, 2 yard pass is goal involvement now....🙄

Yet people hurl out 'It isn't football manager on the PS you know'

Oh yeah ?

4 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I may be wrong, but it seemed like it was a joke?

But posts get removed again !

What happened to the right to reply ?

'Expected goals'

Has to be the daftest thing yet, some need their ipads confiscating. Straight out of Keans distract everybody with made up nonsense handbook this stuff.

8 minutes ago, Darrenbot said:

Being linked with Morecambe players is how low we've got to,what's next? signing Chorley players maybe.

The Brentford model remember....

27 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Sorry... this weakens the case for wanting Mowbray out, how?

 

The ONLY thing that matters is results and league position anything else is just window dressing.  This will be the kind of bluster Mowbray is feeding back to the owners crew, look at this we are nearly there.

This time next season the stats will say the same, the results and league position won't say much different to now.

How many times have we scored in a first half ?   How many times have we gone behind first and lost ?   How many games have we turned around or won late ?

Where are the tables for these things that actually matter ?

17 hours ago, Boroblue said:

The worst about him he complains that a state of the art category one academy is not good enough for his ideas. ( the guy who couldn’t convince the owners of chesterfield to employ him). He then wants to play a-possession game but to prove his point re the training facilities fucks the ewood pitch up by training on that. 

I cant wait to see the next job he gets because he as moaned about cat 1 facilities let’s see how he does at port vale or Northampton because if he’s lucky that’s where he’s heading.

Hes is not an unpleasant fella great for a pint on a Friday for s chat football but a bag of shite manager. Four years and can’t find a best 11. Even with great facilities,money and a youth academy complains about luck.

In the old adage a bad workman always blames his tools.

Best description yet, the man would blame the air quality if he could get away with it. He's moaned about just about every facet of the club as a reason for never pushing the team on.

God knows how he coped at Coventry with naff all.  Even his beloved Boro where he's well thought of saw through him after a few years.