And the contracts he's handed out.

Yep just too many demands on the money coming in for a loss making club like Rovers when it's coming in in dribs and drabs over several years it gets swallowed up the same way that's why the only way it would happen is owners stepping In and injecting specific funds there and then to provide the means to buy a new player for big money. These lot haven't seemed to work that way and post Jack or maybe early trust days it probably hasn't happened at all. I think that's why when Rhodes was being sold they tried to demand 9 million in one lump with the rest in instalments. If they'd got that Lambert might have got some of the funds he was promised instead of just the headroom on Rhodes wages.

It shows the contradictory nature of this club these days when people pap on about our resources, size, crowds and all that then go on about the 7 million Brereton either being a good future investment or a complete waste of resources. Clubs of limited means desperately trying to keep punching their weight do not 'invest' 7 mill over several years in a 19 year old with no real pedigree who may or may not come good in 2 or 3 years time ! Then invest virtually nothing else to try and help guarantee it punching its weight in the meantime. We are either a skint club on a limited budget relying on cheap signings and kids for a stability model or we are a modest sized club of sound means with wealthy owners investing wisely as we go along with a plan to be a big club again in a few years. Simple as that really, can't have it both ways to suit your newspaper articles or whatever mood you're in.

? We didn't sell Speedie for 5 mill and invest it in Shearer and Ripley or have I missed your point because I think that is the type of thing he means, apologies if wrong.

Bit about Fulham is a good point in regards to expecting a raft of wholesale changes in summer then the excuse after the first ten games will be we need time to gel it's a new team. Then it'll be Christmas then next season etc etc. Although them trying it in the Prem is futile they did get up after some decent spending and with parachutes and a seasons Prem money are now in a good place to recoup some and sort themselves out to go again. Needs managing and running right of course but if they end up with a team not good enough for the Prem at the min but to0 good for the Champ it might not be as daft as it sounds. Us making a load of changes will probably mean paying players off again then bringing in ones that don't cost much and who probably aren't much better just maybe a bit fresher and personally I don't trust someone like TM to do this nor do I trust the people Vs deal with judging by some of the overpaid injury prone under achievers that constantly find their way onto Rovers books when no one else will give them similar terms !! Mowbray confuses things enough and I could definitely see us in the bottom 3 after 10 games going off what we've seen since Jan, hard luck stories every week don't wash with me we aren't a side who's spent the past 3 years in league 1 and become acclimatised to that we were very much a Champ team/set up and squad who should never have ended up in league 1. If they added a few good players in key positions to this squad and put as much faith in vibrant youth and a good keeper then I've enough faith in him to think we could have a decent season though.

Maybe starting with the favs and older heads in the usual sit off, contain mould and hope to keep it 0-0 or pinch one before getting some attacking threat on in the 2nd half and looking to open them up. or Get a vibrant young team out and get at them in a pressing game like v Hull and hope to get a few goals before tightening it up later in the second half. Not just the caught between the two plod which will see us edge possession by passing across the back all day but see us get undone by a couple of set pieces/defensive lapses.

There was similar talk last year about signing ready made championship players that quickly turned to I want to give these lads a chance after handing out fresh deals. Similar talk approaching the January window first about signings to push up forwards if we were in or around the play offs then just strengthening or back ups in general which then turned to we are ok as we are i'm not concerned about defence we've plenty cover.......... Contrast that to when he first came and talked about getting a core group of our own players together and not relying on too many loans and short deal players. Then after relegation he talked about getting in players specifically to get us straight back up as well as keeping others. He delivered on both those counts but not since so I pay no heed to him now he seems to be just spinning things along telling people what they want to hear. I suspect it isn't all down to him and there might have been another if it ain't broke why try and fix it mantra behind the scenes again but who knows. All I know is actions speak louder than words and this summer, starting from now as you say, there needs to be some hard decisive stuff going on.

Appleton I think they crazily paid about 500k compen or something but given who was behind that and who was pushing buttons at the club then it's clear they were stitched up with another dud.

So the first instalment on a 10 mill sale might be about 2 mill ? So he might get that in next seasons budget if it isn't already committed to further Armstrong and Brereton payments...... I think this boost the kitty talk is a bit hilarious to be honest it never happens that way i'e sell for 10 million then go and spend 5 or 10 million on replacements, new quality in the same or following window. It'll get swallowed up, spread about or just plain evaporate.

Too right not long ago a lot of Liverpool fans wanted Klopps nut on a spike although clubs like that are universally followed by clueless armchair fans but I dare anyone to regularly scan Boro, Newcastle, Sunderland forums. They spin round in circles far quicker than this place, passionate fans will always have strong opinions rightly or wrongly.

Trouble is young hungry managers is a tag you can pin on Kean, Berg, Appleton, and experienced with a promotion you can pin on Lambert, Coyle, Mowbray. So they've been down both routes although I suspect the real problem is who presents these guys to them and does the deals !!!!!! Both routes are fine if you actually look around well in advance and do your own homework and maybe present a decent package to bring someone in from another club who feels he'll have more to work with here or bring in an out of work manager of genuine calibre who's maybe taking his time pondering his next move rather than facing applying for anything he can get his hands on ! As usual what they do is just gamble on long shots and one wonders if that isn't all part of the fun as far as they are concerned ?

Nyambe also might be one they can get a few quid for if they move him on unlike Bell or Williams ! I dread to think what'll come in his place though, probably a regular starting spot for Bennett .

Evans will have good stats every season no doubt as he's tidy on the ball, doesn't give it away much and picks up a lot of loose bits and pieces. Fact that he never does jack all with it except pass three yards sideways and backwards shirking any responsibility and rarely plays a forward pass or wins a defensive tackle somewhat clouds it but that will be outweighed by 30 passes completed per game or something similarly misleading.

And that's unlikey to happen for a multitude of reasons and if he thought he could do it with Bell & Nyambe as the wingbacks then tried to shoehorn his signing Whittingham in as well I've zero faith he'll come up with the goods this time. Mowbray is a very basic manager and needs to stick to basic things and get good players for that in my view.

So many of them seem to fail at this level with a serious lack of that very thing and even some experienced centre backs like Mulgrew have abandoned it. That's why to me it's a silly philosophy thinking you can rely on converting people like Williams and Rodwell into regular good centre halves later in their careers because they just don't have that nous it's never been drilled into them so it's too late to start now. As for young fullbacks Henley and Bell are classic examples of having zero awareness whereas Nyambe has developed a bit as he's going along but he also possess other attributes.

He would be one of the main names linked and maybe get sounded out by those at the club but meanwhile in India someone from the very long odds cheapo bin would be being lined up.

He tried the back 3 in league 1 and the team wasn't good enough to carry it off apart from the odd in game change so if he couldn't put a side together to do it there with the biggest budget in the league it won't be happening now. He'd need an almost entire new back line and that isn't happening and that's before he confuses them with his other selections etc. Best way for a safety first pass it around the back line then smack it forward guy like him to play is with a solid flat consistent back 4 and good at the basics keeper. That's where he needs to start imo.

Just imagine Mowbray out and Shteve McClaren in........... Think on your sins ! Well for a few more games at least.

'Perspective lads' . IF you win 5 in a row it's ok to lose every other one because you have a bit of credit in the bank points wise and you can also space those wins out between the losses in your own mind for 'balance' and things aren't so bad then !

Have you gone yet ?

Only advice I have for you is lay off the wine gums you're clearly drunk. But yeah let's take the games from the winning run and insert them between the this run of defeats and pretend things are fine #wibble

We've invested 7 million in an overated kid and we are given a generous budget for a club our size by billionaire owners allowing us to pay good championship wages to some players. So sorry that's not really washing with me at the moment, it's just a convenient excuse other similar or even smaller clubs are managing better on the same or less. No one has a devine right to do well and it's one of the toughest leagues in the world we know that however we are suffering from poor on field team management at the moment as much as anything. There'll always be bigger clubs but there's only one who gets nearly 40k they are bigger than the rest on that score by some miles but they do get beat though.

It was always going to be a tough season up and down but it's having more downs than ups now and undone again today by the same old shite. There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he's made a pigs ear of the second half of this season from the window onwards though and the lack of forward planning is very poor. We'd be right in the mire if it wasn't for that winning run.

If we do actually have any real transfer funds available and he's not spending it i'm beginning to think he hasn't got the bottle to buy someone fit, good enough and ready to replace someone else.

He's tied most of them to the club and us to them so shifting them even if he wants to will be very difficult. He'll keep more or less the same core group and use his back ups and youngsters to fill in the gaps. I think we'll be like that for a while now whilst natural wastage makes room for incomings then at some point there'll be a raft of sales again to plug the finances. All points to the midtable stability model again but they'll have to be smarter with the outs and ins so we don't end up like we did when Coyle bull @#/? his way into the job. I'd wager next seasons first day line up doesn't differ much from Raya, Nyambe, Lenihen# Mulgrew Williams, Bennett, Smallwood, Evans, Armstrong, Samuel, Graham Dack will be gone and Lenihen might attract a good bid.