Don't disagree. What is Venky's home page? I found what seemed to be the home page for VH group last week but none of the links such as "contact us" seemed to work!

Thanks Dan (?) Our original intention was to embarrass Waggott by highlighting the gaping inconsistencies between what he has said and the available information and to bring into the public domain previously undiscussed questions. After the letter went live a number of people asked about the facility to sign the letter in support and this option was added. Unfortunately we missed the first 10-12 k viewings for signature purposes. Obviously the intent is to keep on sharing the letter as widely as possible and if it gains enough traction in due course then obviously the LT and other local media outlets may be forced to report on it indirectly as you say. Whether that happens will depend on the number of people we eventually manage to get it before, and the extent to which they like it. You can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink and all that.

You might have missed the discussion about the LT on the other thread. We didn't think the LT would want to run it voluntarily as a letter for fear of falling out with the Club so offered to put it in as a paid for banner ad with a QR code linking to the ad which is also a lot less unwieldy than a multi page letter. So far the LT have declined to run it.

I'll do it. My idea originally so the responsibility is primarily on my head to promote it and I can just print the initial version off easily enough.

Waggott is the obvious fly in the ointment in this scenario, combined with whatever the 3 of them have planned for Brockhall.

Top and bottom of it. Wouldn't it be refreshing if an LT journalist fired that at Waggott the next time he tried to claim Mowbray was a "great" manager.

It's not rocket science to understand the difference between the two. For the amount of aggravation he would have been getting he wouldn't have been on a big salary at Coventry whereas he'll be on way more here. I don't expect anyone in his position would walk away from here 1without any form of pay off but surely in normal circumstances him and his agent could have approached the Club at any point recently to request a payoff and departure "by mutual consent". Sick of alluding to it but you do wonder if he's hanging on for another reason.

So the reason we're struggling to score apparently is "the situation with the forwards". Roughly translated as: "I wasted £12m on two strikers who don't look up to it at the best of times but I've them look even worse by sticking them out on the wing all season due to my inexplicable obsession with "wide forwards".

Suit yourself. It's not hindsight, or a recent thing, he should have gone two years ago. We had two exceptional games early in the season but having stumbled on a winning formula he couldn't wait to depart from that. He's never changed. As a result we're in absolute free fall as a Club with the state of the squad also an absolute shambles - countless players out of contract in summer. All this could have been avoided by removing him and Venus two years ago. We can't say we didn't get adequate warning with the results then. Of course it's no use crying over spilt milk, all we can try and do is turn things round from here.

Right, hopefully after today we can see the need to unite against these plans and stop bickering with each other. The players certainly look as if they've thrown the towel in over the last couple of months, I wonder if these plans came to light without any consultation with them? As for the idea of a former player spearheading the campaign, it would be nice were that to happen but I think it's unlikely, at the end of the day whatever feelings of affection they had for the Club it was a job for them and it's maybe a bit unfair to put them in that position. It's down to us.

Way past that for me den. Whilst I shed no years when Kean was sacked we were 5th or 6th when he was (rightly) removed.

There must be an element of appearance money in these players contracts - there's no other explanation for it Either that or a minimum number of appearances automatically triggers a new contract.

Completely agree.

Completely disagree. If they can do it no reason why ANYONE can't. (With a decent manager)

It's more likely that if there is anything sinister to it, it'll be the buying Club who have made the stipulation or the player and his agent have indicated a marked lack of enthusiasm for playing ahead of a pending move. The trouble from our point of view is if the unthinkable happens and we go down, his value will presumably drop through the floor.

Good job for Evans he slipped through the net before the data came in then. Also what use is data when 50% of your business entails going round with the begging bowl at the end of the transfer window seeing what remaining crumbs you can hoover up on the cheap off the Premier League Loan table?

The thing that struck me more was recently when things weren't ticking over quite as nicely and Waggott went out of his way to publicly make excuses for Mowbray due to Covid. What sort of Chairman or CEO does that? A proper unbiased CEO would simply have said that results simply weren't good enough and left it at that leaving the incumbent manager in no doubt he had to pull his socks up or else. Mind you, what we didn't know at that point was that there are training grounds to be sold and housing developments to be built.

The conflict of interest is so basic isn't it?1 I flagged it up when it was first being mooted that Waggott was to be appointed but results on the pitch (in League 1) had picked up somewhat so no-one seemed unduly bothered at the time as the **** hadn't hit the fan at that point.

Can't believe Waggott is proposing this nonsensical scheme and all some fans can do is bicker with one another.

I don't believe that they believe it - I'd frankly be amazed if anything but houses were built. However they're peddling the line that it's beneficial and until recently at least it seems a lot of people believed it!

It's quite bizarre isn't it. you can imagine the sales pitch to the local companies "Sponsor the training Centre and be remembered forever as the Company that was integral in the destruction of Brockhall Village." "And forget all that stuff I said about the facilities being tired and out of date, I was having a bad day and didn't really mean it."

What do you mean by that? Surely you have to completely discredit the plans first by showing them up for what they are. and once that's been achieved, then if they still insist on pressing on, that might be the time for the pitchforks?

Thanks for posting that John........but Im afraid it's put my blood pressure through the roof! - So SW couldn't provide any evidence for his assertion that he "thought" a new facility on the one restricted site could meet Cat 1 status - Seemingly according to MC we'd have to borrow money (and pay copious amounts of interest) to duplicate training facilities we already have in a different location. That also contradicts everything SW had said in the Telegraph up to that point. - Any long standing plans to upgrade the indoor training centre are entirely dependent on a grant we have so far failed to obtain - Any hopes of a state of the art new pitch costing £2m which I'm sure SW assured us in the LT the owners were going to provide seem to be disappearing into the distance "What happens next would depend on costs for the work" - The Club and the owners still apparently have "every faith" in Mowbray despite results accepted by all as being "not good enough" But that's all ok, because one member apparently assured the Club he thought that reaction to the plans on social media was "over the top" and also thought we should move into town as apparently it's the Club's job not the Council's to provide facilities for the disadvantaged areas of the town. And another "urged caution" against making a change in manager at this point in time. I might calm down by about Wednesday. Hope the tea and biccies were good. -

Apologies, I just had a quick look on the Club website and couldn't see an obvious link to them. How can you view them?

You couldn't make it up, could you?