RevidgeBlue

Really don't think you are correct there. It would mean the player was getting paid twice by the Club who bought him and the Club he's left who he can no longer play for. There'd never be any point in any Club selling a player as they'd end up paying a player who can't play for them. The only way a player is entitled to the money under his contract is if he sees it out to the end. There may also be a loyalty bonus for the player which kicks in at the end of the deal but again you wouldn't expect it to kick in before that. If a player leaves by mutual consent, all bets are off regarding his current deal and he's then paid by his new Club. Conversely if a player doesn't wish to move and wishes to sit on his contract until it expires then he can do. If a Club wish to hold the player to a Contract then again they can but they risk having an unhappy player who won't perform and getting nothing when he finally does leave.

No, the Raya figure was just friends in general, I assumed it had been quoted in the LT or something. The other was someone who certainly should have known what they were talking about in theory! 🙂

Everyone I've spoken to seems to think that was £2m.

Surely a loyalty bonus would only come into effect if he stayed? Therefore one or the other and I'd imagine the sell on percentage would be way higher than any loyalty bonus that may or may not be applicable.

Are you surprised? Our esteemed CEO was probably too busy planning housing developments.

As stated in the transfer window thread, I can't see the point in letting him leave for any less than about £18m absolute minimum if Newcastle have a 40% sell on clause.

Just on Armstrong, I may be in a minority but I don't think it's worth letting him go for much less than £20m if it's true that New castle have a quite ridiculous 40% sell on clause. If we sold him for £10m the Club would only see £6m of it - might as well keep him for the season. Wonder who agreed to a ludicrous clause like that (as if I need to ask). It's like with the loanees, as if we've still been developing someone else's player for them even though to all intents and purposes we signed him permanently!

Spot on. The Club have clearly been aware all along what we needed to do to avoid going into embargo and has previously stated they had either complied with any filing requirements or would do so before any given deadlines. So it would look very fishy if we end up in embargo again for failure to file our accounts on time.

Can you imagine the irony if we get placed under another transfer embargo and we haven't even put season tickets on sale at that point?

Why would "a clean sweep" of (underperforming) management be more likely to put us in League 1 than Armstrong leaving? What a load of rubbish. Whether people choose to renew their season ticket if Mowbray stays is very much a matter of personal preference. Many won't and I think you'd be in a very substantial minority if you think that replacing Mowbray and his coaching staff wouldn't lead to a substantial improvement on the pitch.

When listening to anything any politician has to say, always better to abide by the motto "How do you know when a politician is lying? "Their lips are moving". Good letter this time from the Trust, shame they were so conspicuous by their absence in taking a Public stance on the proposed sale of Brockhall considering how keen they are meant to be to secure and preserve the assets of the Club. What was that about politicians again?

He's on holiday until the middle of this week apparently, but wasn't really conspicuous before that either. Would be nice if the reason was they were all getting the push.

Absolute waste of time and money bringing loanees in to finish 15th. Then back to square one at the start of each season. The only way to genuinely progress is to develop our own youngsters.

Way too much credit being given to the Walker Trust, we were on the decline as a Club well before they left, the taps had been turned off completely and even when they were putting in relatively small amounts to cover losses it would never have been anything which put their own Finances at risk. Also the Family was the Trust. It wasn't some separate mysterious shadowy entity.

Yes, as JH points out, we are one of only 4 Clubs not to have released any season ticket details. Doesn't really need emphasising but yet again begs the question of what Waggott actually does to justify his £300k p.a. Edit: Just think the owners could have had the place buzzing by sacking the Coventrio within a couple of weeks of the season ending, putting in an innovative managerial appointment and reducing season tickets back to 2019/20 levels. Instead we're one of only 4 Clubs who haven't released details, yet despite that there's barely any sense of anticipation as the season is bound to be another disaster if Mowbray's still here and the only variable will be in wondering how much Waggott is going to put up prices this time round.

You've sucked me in now, it'd be like anything else, I'm sure you'd be able to find different stats portraying him in both a positive and negative light dependant upon your agenda and the point you were trying to prove.

If Joe and Andy insist on inflicting data analytics on us then could they perhaps start up a separate thread for it? That way those who wish to read it can, those who don't wish to don't have to, and important threads won't get derailed or ruined with this garbage.

So basically then ....... by your own admission........ the table is virtually meaningless!

Haven't read the replies other than on the last page of this thread but I have to say if everyone is debating last night's game seriously you're easily pleased. I never usually bother with England between tournaments but was free last night so thought I'd tune in and see where we're at these days. Never seen such a load of crap in my life, load of fancy Dan's playing tippy tippy football with zero penetration and the only real passion being shown was for trying to buy cheap free kicks with exaggerated falls for minimal contact. What really got my goat was when Lingard I think was substituted and he Southgate and the coaching staff were all high fiveing one another like they'd won the World Cup. A proper manager would have been giving the players the cold shoulder for putting in such an abject performance. All in all I was left fairly speechless. Really can't see us doing anything with that muppet Southgate in charge.

Much like the alleged parting of the ways with Mowbray!

Yep, any discounts promised last year will no doubt be wiped out by price hikes over the next season or two. A point I stressed at the time. They're completely meaningless unless combined with a price freeze for a specified period which is subsequently honoured.

That simply doesn't wash John. If there was more robust criticism of the footballing side (which I doubt) it needs to be recorded in the minutes as a matter of record in case things deteriorate even further (if that's possible) so you can refer to it at a later date if needed.

We've already seen that by the way in the Fans Forum minutes. Lynsey Talbot saying numbers are likely to be down because people will be wary of attending because of covid etc etc. Not blaming Lynsey, only saying what she's been told to, but the major reasons will be obviously the Mowbray effect and the Brockhall fiasco. Whilst the Forum seemingly sat there like the 3 wise monkeys.

Four goals in 39 suggests otherwise.

Spot on.