RevidgeBlue

As stated in the transfer window thread, I can't see the point in letting him leave for any less than about £18m absolute minimum if Newcastle have a 40% sell on clause.

Just on Armstrong, I may be in a minority but I don't think it's worth letting him go for much less than £20m if it's true that New castle have a quite ridiculous 40% sell on clause. If we sold him for £10m the Club would only see £6m of it - might as well keep him for the season. Wonder who agreed to a ludicrous clause like that (as if I need to ask). It's like with the loanees, as if we've still been developing someone else's player for them even though to all intents and purposes we signed him permanently!

Spot on. The Club have clearly been aware all along what we needed to do to avoid going into embargo and has previously stated they had either complied with any filing requirements or would do so before any given deadlines. So it would look very fishy if we end up in embargo again for failure to file our accounts on time.

Can you imagine the irony if we get placed under another transfer embargo and we haven't even put season tickets on sale at that point?

Why would "a clean sweep" of (underperforming) management be more likely to put us in League 1 than Armstrong leaving? What a load of rubbish. Whether people choose to renew their season ticket if Mowbray stays is very much a matter of personal preference. Many won't and I think you'd be in a very substantial minority if you think that replacing Mowbray and his coaching staff wouldn't lead to a substantial improvement on the pitch.

When listening to anything any politician has to say, always better to abide by the motto "How do you know when a politician is lying? "Their lips are moving". Good letter this time from the Trust, shame they were so conspicuous by their absence in taking a Public stance on the proposed sale of Brockhall considering how keen they are meant to be to secure and preserve the assets of the Club. What was that about politicians again?

He's on holiday until the middle of this week apparently, but wasn't really conspicuous before that either. Would be nice if the reason was they were all getting the push.

Absolute waste of time and money bringing loanees in to finish 15th. Then back to square one at the start of each season. The only way to genuinely progress is to develop our own youngsters.

Way too much credit being given to the Walker Trust, we were on the decline as a Club well before they left, the taps had been turned off completely and even when they were putting in relatively small amounts to cover losses it would never have been anything which put their own Finances at risk. Also the Family was the Trust. It wasn't some separate mysterious shadowy entity.

Yes, as JH points out, we are one of only 4 Clubs not to have released any season ticket details. Doesn't really need emphasising but yet again begs the question of what Waggott actually does to justify his £300k p.a. Edit: Just think the owners could have had the place buzzing by sacking the Coventrio within a couple of weeks of the season ending, putting in an innovative managerial appointment and reducing season tickets back to 2019/20 levels. Instead we're one of only 4 Clubs who haven't released details, yet despite that there's barely any sense of anticipation as the season is bound to be another disaster if Mowbray's still here and the only variable will be in wondering how much Waggott is going to put up prices this time round.

You've sucked me in now, it'd be like anything else, I'm sure you'd be able to find different stats portraying him in both a positive and negative light dependant upon your agenda and the point you were trying to prove.

If Joe and Andy insist on inflicting data analytics on us then could they perhaps start up a separate thread for it? That way those who wish to read it can, those who don't wish to don't have to, and important threads won't get derailed or ruined with this garbage.

So basically then ....... by your own admission........ the table is virtually meaningless!

Haven't read the replies other than on the last page of this thread but I have to say if everyone is debating last night's game seriously you're easily pleased. I never usually bother with England between tournaments but was free last night so thought I'd tune in and see where we're at these days. Never seen such a load of crap in my life, load of fancy Dan's playing tippy tippy football with zero penetration and the only real passion being shown was for trying to buy cheap free kicks with exaggerated falls for minimal contact. What really got my goat was when Lingard I think was substituted and he Southgate and the coaching staff were all high fiveing one another like they'd won the World Cup. A proper manager would have been giving the players the cold shoulder for putting in such an abject performance. All in all I was left fairly speechless. Really can't see us doing anything with that muppet Southgate in charge.

Much like the alleged parting of the ways with Mowbray!

Yep, any discounts promised last year will no doubt be wiped out by price hikes over the next season or two. A point I stressed at the time. They're completely meaningless unless combined with a price freeze for a specified period which is subsequently honoured.

That simply doesn't wash John. If there was more robust criticism of the footballing side (which I doubt) it needs to be recorded in the minutes as a matter of record in case things deteriorate even further (if that's possible) so you can refer to it at a later date if needed.

We've already seen that by the way in the Fans Forum minutes. Lynsey Talbot saying numbers are likely to be down because people will be wary of attending because of covid etc etc. Not blaming Lynsey, only saying what she's been told to, but the major reasons will be obviously the Mowbray effect and the Brockhall fiasco. Whilst the Forum seemingly sat there like the 3 wise monkeys.

Four goals in 39 suggests otherwise.

Spot on.

Three Club rule. Must admit if we replaced a £20m plus striker with a 31 year old loanee and one with a poor recent record and a history of being difficult that would be the last straw for most with this management. If there's anyone still left in that category. If still here Mowbray and Waggott would probably do it out of spite and then blame it on not being able to sell Brockhall.

I know, but................. Disagree Armstrong holds all the aces. If the owners say he's going nowhere for c £15 m then that's the end of the matter. Undoubtedly it would be the pragmatic move to cash in on him this summer. It would be an even better move to get a proper manager in and offer him a new deal.

Don't think the owners will sell him for that. Or anything like.

In League 1?

Some pointed questions about Mowbray but overall a pretty disgraceful lack of response from The Forum there who once again have let Waggott get away with absolute murder. The sort of things we needed to know are: Who shelved the Brockhall fiasco Why was it shelved How much money was wasted on the aborted scheme? Are there now plans to upgrade the facilities on the existing sites Did Waggott ever specifically ask the owners to commit to a new £2m stitch pitch or was it his decision not to go ahead Who made the decision that according to SW Mowbray would be staying? The owners or was the decision left to him? Overall all you ever tend to read is things like "We've been caught red handed with our fingers in the cookie jar over Brockhall but we'll just brush it under the carpet and pretend it never happened" "I know we promised a brand new state of the art pitch to deflect criticism when we had a game called off but that isn't happening and we'll pretend we never promised that either" I know we haven't been able to get new kits or season tickets on sale but we're hopeful we'll be able to do so sometime soon" "We haven't been able to pull off any contract negotiations" and everyone seemingly sits there and says nothing or even sympathises. Goes without saying it's an absolute shambles from the Club but nowhere near good enough from the Forum either.