RevidgeBlue

"Manager plays player in best position shocker"

He never seems to do anything that might possibly increase revenues though. It's all down scaling, cost cutting and penny pinching.

The credit for full paying customers is designed to redress the difference between the value of an I follow pass and the cost of their ticket. As a young person would only have been paying £8 per game in the first place and had it substituted by a £10 I follow pass then there's nothing to redress. In fact if you were being pedantic and judging young adults on exactly the same basis as Seniors you could argue that they're £46 in credit as opposed to every other category of fan for last season. The problem of households having multiple season tickets and therefore not getting much benefit from (edit) one I follow pass is a sticky one and not just confined to young adults it also applies to households with multiple senior season tickets. A more fan friendly CEO than Waggott would take steps to acknowledge this and offer some form of bulk loyalty discount but that would require some ingenuity and empathy with the supporter base. I agree it's disgraceful that up to press young adults are to be left off the supporter mosaic and the move to reduce the young adult age range seems exceptionally petty and vindictive but then everything Waggott does seems designed to piss people off. I can't believe the owners would have said "you must slash young adult eligibility" just as I don't believe they would have had any particular interest in selling a few acres of land near Whalley. (Brockhall).

If going down to the Rovers for you is all about having a good day out and if what happens on (and off) the pitch is a complete irrelevance then good luck to you. Many won't hold the same point of view. As much as I've come to detest the useless Mowbray and his relationship with the con man Waggott, I'm way more upset by the disgraceful attempt to flog off Brockhall than even that. So for me personally, it will be an extremely reluctant purchase if I do decide to pay 25% more for my ticket than the last time I saw a ball kicked at Ewood.

Agree whole heartedly with your last paragraph actually. As far as the season ticket goes, I really don't know where the argument is. If you were on the £179 rate you were paying £8 per game give or take a few pence last season and had it replaced by an I follow pass with a value of £10 per game so if you're still on the £179 rate this season what are you getting credit for? I agree it's wholly unfair if you've moved up into the full price band like my mate's son and are not being offered any discount. I think people in that situation should be offered a good will £30 or £40 discount.

You seem to be trying to make out BRFC is not a business. The elasticity of supply and demand might be somewhat different to a "normal" business but it's still a very dangerous game to take customers for granted and assume people should simply attend out of blind loyalty as you (and Waggott) appear to be doing.

He wasn't. You can try and emotionally blackmail people all you want by claiming that local people will be put out of jobs if fans don't renew but it's always been the case that it's optional to buy a season ticket irrespective of the manager or the standard of the fare on the pitch. There's only so far you can test the loyalty of the fanbase. If you have a terrible meal in a restaurant do you pile back there the following week because you're worried the staff there will lose their jobs if you don't go back? Or do you rightly take the view that if that happens it's the fault of the management for serving crap food?

And your language and Abrasive attitude says a lot about you. People of all age ranges have financial problems in general and have been badly affected by the pandemic. Try telling someone who's lost a loved one or a parent that the younger generation, who in general don't get as seriously ill from the virus, have been the worst affected. I only meant that if you were entitled to a £179 ticket originally and are STILL entitled to a disounted ticket on account of age it's unreasonable to expect another massive discount on an already heavily discounted price. A friend of mines son has actually just turned 24 and therefore has gone from being asked to pay £179 to £399 with no discount. So after showing loyalty by renewing last year, there's no incentive whatsoever for him to renew again. He will I'm sure still renew anyway as he has a job and is keen as mustard but that isn't really the point

Waggott's wet dream probably, as well as becoming a bit of a yo yo team between the Championship and League 1 where the Coventrio are obviously far more comfortable and at their natural level. Up to us as fans to preserve Jack's infrastructure until we can see these charlatans off and get someone decent in.

Was speaking to a Luton Town fan last night, he said last season they had the smallest budget in the division bar Wycombe and had great difficulty persuading anyone to join them. This close season they've been active already making three signings and poaching Wycombe's star player, a striker, off them and this Chap was delighted to note that the signings were now talking about being delighted to join "a Championship Club" as opposed to "Luton Town". Different expectations but a Club clearly moving in the right direction and doing their utmost to try and improve. The polar opposite of our mob down at Ewood.

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That'll be me gone by about 15.15 opening home game then!

You do have to wonder if it's being done deliberately to some end. I'm talking from those on the ground at Ewood rather than India but at the end of the day it's their name over the door and the buck stops with them. I can't believe anyone could actually be that stupid.

Would it? Selling only 2.5k season tickets last season doesn't seem to have earned anyone the sack. Be meat and drink to Waggott I'd have thought, give him the ammunition to mothball Ewood completely and return with fresh plans to flog off Brockhall on the strength of promises of non existent new training facilities. Can see both sides of the argument. It's a no win situation for most supporters, renew and endorse the "chumocracy" (copyright Hoochie) or boycott and give Waggott carte blanche to run amok.

Who drafted that load of old cobblers? Might as well have said, "Supporters must not enjoy themselves or have a good time inside the Stadium" All they needed to say was something like "Please treat other supporters with respect and be aware of their safety". And who's going to remember to carry photographic id every game? They can't even speak proper English. Shouting and singing "is" discouraged. Christ. Sums us up under Waggott. Don't want any bloody customers in or anyone enjoying themselves.

That part of it is completely unfair, you're paying exactly what the Club have requested you to pay. You don't get a say in that, or an option, so there's no way that young fans who renewed last year should be excluded from the mosaic.

True. The pricing overall is ludicrous but Waggott dug the Club's grave on this 12 months ago by increasing prices at the most inopportune time imaginable and removing the affordable seating. There was never any way back in the short term given the fact we're obliged to offer discounts to the hardy souls who renewed last season.

I'm absolutely the last one to defend Waggott normally but pull the other one, you were paying a vastly discounted rate in the first place so you can't expect another substantial discount as well on top of that as well. You'd be getting the ticket for next to nothing.

My thoughts exactly. If nothing else at least something good has come out of this dire close season, we've finally offloaded those two lead swingers Bennett and Evans. Thankfully I haven't seen Bennett being described as a "legend" anywhere. If I had I think it would have made my blood boil. I'd say exactly the opposite and say that they both epitomise everything that is wrong with the modern day footballer. How Evans survived eight years and various contract extensions here is beyond belief. The master of doing the square root of naff all and apparently convincing some he was doing something useful. Bennett never performed for us from the minute he arrived at the Club but seemingly managed to convince people he was an all round good egg by becoming active on social media and talking a good game and by becoming a sort of unofficial cheer leader. The ONLY way we'll progress out of the malaise we're in (in tandem with appointing a decent manager) is to stop bringing in dollopers like this who draw their money week after week, year after year for not performing and bring in players who regularly do the business on the pitch. Shearer, Hendry, Garner etc = legends. Bennett/Evans = leg ends. Good riddance to both.

Really don't think you are correct there. It would mean the player was getting paid twice by the Club who bought him and the Club he's left who he can no longer play for. There'd never be any point in any Club selling a player as they'd end up paying a player who can't play for them. The only way a player is entitled to the money under his contract is if he sees it out to the end. There may also be a loyalty bonus for the player which kicks in at the end of the deal but again you wouldn't expect it to kick in before that. If a player leaves by mutual consent, all bets are off regarding his current deal and he's then paid by his new Club. Conversely if a player doesn't wish to move and wishes to sit on his contract until it expires then he can do. If a Club wish to hold the player to a Contract then again they can but they risk having an unhappy player who won't perform and getting nothing when he finally does leave.

No, the Raya figure was just friends in general, I assumed it had been quoted in the LT or something. The other was someone who certainly should have known what they were talking about in theory! 🙂

Everyone I've spoken to seems to think that was £2m.

Surely a loyalty bonus would only come into effect if he stayed? Therefore one or the other and I'd imagine the sell on percentage would be way higher than any loyalty bonus that may or may not be applicable.

Are you surprised? Our esteemed CEO was probably too busy planning housing developments.

As stated in the transfer window thread, I can't see the point in letting him leave for any less than about £18m absolute minimum if Newcastle have a 40% sell on clause.