Then you come back to the ownership problem. Burnley's off-field system however will count for nothing if they get the managerial appointment wrong. Swansea were a model for many years with their chairman Huw Edwards (?) identifying a succession of promising young managers - Martinez, Rodgers etc. I accept that basic structures have to be in place to make Rovers successful, and it's likely they are not at present, but that all comes from not having a strong and intelligent manager.

I prefer the all-powerful manager. Running a football club by committee with DoFs may be the modern way and might work for some clubs but you only have to look 10 miles down the road to Burnley to see how a top-class manager can transform even the most unpromising clubs. I would have trusted a top football man like Sam Allardyce to have to run Ewood from top to bottom, like Ferguson at Old Trafford. You can have a great "system" in place with scouting and coaching teams but unless you get the right manager, you're not going to get anywhere.

Tom Lawrence double for Derby. Lots of Rovers fans were glad to see the back of him.

Top class rant that. Well done.

You can change personnel all you like but if players don't have the temperament for Test cricket, eg Roy, then there's no point picking them. Test cricket is, or used to be, game of patience. Burns showed the way in the 1st innings albeit with alot of luck but that is the mentality you need.

Pathetic and so predictable.

I should have put some money on

Brainless by Roy. In the context of trying to save a Test match, why would you play a shot like that?

Barely 15 minutes in and 1st wicket down. What's more agony, supporting England cricket or Rovers?

I can take a bad result like Saturday's on the chin because bad results can happen at any time to even the best teams but Mowbray has lost an awful lot of Brownie points by not strengthening the defence, and it is this failure more than anything that I think fans find most frustrating.

I'm sure I'm not alone in saying I get worse as I get older. Perhaps it's the advancing years and the realisation you don't have many football seasons left but I want Rovers back where they belong in the big time before I pop my clogs and results like yesterday's make you realise it's just not going to happen. Coupled with England's useless cricketers it would make anyone depressed.

I don't see this - in my view Mowbray is under no pressure at all from above. His remit is most likely to keep Rovers out of trouble and safe in the Championship - hence the conservative team selections and lack of risk taking. Let's face it, Mowbray got a nose-bleed when we reached the dizzy heights of 7th last season. Why should he put his nice sinecure at risk by raising expectations?

I'd bet my house on us getting nowhere near the target. There's only one likely scenario tomorrow - England steadily losing wickets all day and finally succumbing just before tea. Lyon is the dangerman.

Mowbray would do well at Westminster. Tell the proles what they want to hear, promise to spend fortunes to fix their grievances, and pledge a better future that they know they cannot possibly deliver. Sound familiar?

Of course it is. It's fans letting off steam and venting their feelings at events that are largely out of their control. This messageboard won't get Mowbray sacked but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be debated.

It ain't petering out, believe me. England face a grim struggle to save the match, and could well be skittled for 150. Thursday when we had them 122-8 seems a long time ago.

Mowbray has it too cushy at Rovers.They won't sack him (and he knows it) and he'll keep spinning the owners yarns about building for the future while in reality he is happy to keep us poddling along in mid-table while he boosts his pension fund for season after season. He's having the fans for fools.

Who's going to start a Mowbray out thread? I can't be the only one who's had enough of him.

New style - same old story What a load of rubbish. Mowbray out

Still cannot believe we started this match with same back 4 that ended last season Mowbray is hopeless

Bennett Lenihan Mulgrew Bell Management failure

Don't be surprised to see this Walton Bennett Lenihan Mulgrew Downing Armstrong Johnson Smallwood Evans Dack Graham

Good old England - not like them to throw away a good position. Bairstow doesn't have a cricket brain

That's us sunk then.

Well, he didn't look "quality" against Luton. Quite the opposite. His lack of dominance in the area made the Boro defence look jittery. Little wonder they conceded three.