Was an example of how the World Cup does indirectly affect signings for Championship clubs. Agree totally. Lacks strength, doesnt score nearly enough goals, need better to avoid being right in the thick of the relegation trouble. The source is a rubbish one so lets hope its not true. Nixons put a couple of teams in to increase his chances of stumbling across an accurate story. I cant see Mowbray going back to Gallagher anyway, think its a lazy link.

But there is a trickle down effect. For example, Liverpool have only just been able to wrap up the Shaqiri, which will allow them to allow Wilson out on loan.

Golden Boy Captain? Hes our sole world class player, proven to score goal after goal. Granted hes not look his self these last couple of games, but no way do you drop him. Maybe the injury he rushed back from at the end of the season has affected him? You are using massive hyperbole and exaggeration by saying very poor. Even today we had a massive spell of pressure and should have scored. Japan did well v Belgium to an extent but they lost as well, so dont wax lyrical too much. Slow and pedestrian again is incorrect, we have I think the youngest team in the tournament with plenty of energy, its been know how and intelligence for me that weve at key moments lacked. Rashford for me has had a particularly poor tournament whenever hes been given a chance. Those suggesting that Sterling should have been dropped for him seem ignorant to that.

Whilst you are right about the draw, and the lack of chances in open play, to say we are "very poor" and "fortunate" (in anything bar the draw) is a big overreaction.

“I am not looking at systems, I am just trying to get the players 45 minutes or an hour." “I am just giving everybody game time, I am not looking at systems or thinking of playing a particular way." Whose right, you or Mowbray?

Gomez and Holgate are in their respective first teams.

Very good post, perfectly put.

We played it for half of a pre season friendly so therefore we should build our squad for that formation? I hate the idea of us playing a formation that failed in the past but cant be bothered having thag debate. But surely if you want to play 3 at the back. Youd want to sign a starting centre back! A good quality one to improve us. Not a back up. Makes no sense. It was a massive overreaction by him. To question whether some people are fans because they dont rate a player is out of order. Its an internet messageboard, people have different opinions on individual things, its not a lack of support. You think they played well? You wasnt there?!

You are comfortable with absolutely whatever is chosen. Raya up front, Graham in net, Dack left wing back.

Oh give over. People are debating about whether we need competition for him whilst in the main acknowledging his obvious improvement. All on a forum. If you think that is not showing support then you are talking shite. The argument "show them some support" or "stop being negative" is one whereby a reasoned and constructive argument is lacking. Some people want this messageboard to basically be one where no healthy discussion can be made, only.a soundboard for how great everything is. Nyambe has grow on me, im glad we have him but I feel that we are lighter at right back than we are at centre back. (And for the record, being better than Orr, Henley, Kane and Caddis is not the sort of benchmark I want to be using)

Why are we signing a 4th choice centre back?! (If we are) we need players to push the first team and to improve us. Not players further down the pecking order than Downing is. If thats your only argument lets re sign Elliott Ward, shall we? Ive never made an assessment about McFadzean!!! In fact I went out of my way to say I wasnt. I dont know enough about him, from the sound of it, neither do you. Just that hes a 31 year old relegated centre back with an underwhelming CV. Your staunch defence of him is bizarre. No chaddy, most people are balanced. If we look to sign good players, people are happy, bad players, people will question. Armstrong, people have seen him do well for us, positivity. 31 year old Burton centre backs, people will be more inquisitive. Everyone knows if we signed a 50 year old youd still be happy and telling people to stop moaning.

We had all of them players bar Davenport last season, and he you would think would be good alongside Smallwood in a 4-2-3-1. Dack was so ineffective when we played 3 at the back, we was slow, we was laborious, we were at our best when we played 4-2-3-1 and an aggressive press. Pre season is rarely indicative of anything other than fitness.

You arent listening to my point, either that or you are arent understanding it. "Some people have been asking for experience centre back to be sign and now we being linked with one and still people moan. that's my point" Experience is not the only requirement! If we re-signed Elliott Ward, would you say the same thing? I cant believe you dont understand it. People want us to sign a pacy winger, Liam Feeney fits that criteria, but we dont want him back either because hes shit. People have mentioned a target man, if we went and signed Akinfenwa, people would complain because again, hes not good enough. It goes without saying that part of the requirement of these targets is to actually be good enough! I cant believe that even needs saying. (and im not saying, before you again misquote me, that McFadzean is or isnt good enough, but I can understand people questioning his track record) "why do we need a right back when Bennett has played right back/wing back in both games so far. " - Because Bennett is not a natural right back, and will undoubtedly be needed in midfield more often than not. We have Mulgrew, Lenihan, Downing and if we had 2 injuries, Williams to play in 2 spots at centre back. I feel we have at least a semblence of cover there. At right back, we have Nyambe who isnt unfamiliar with drastic losses of form, and then after that Bennett who is a midfielder. You are only in agreement because according to media tittle tattle, we do want a centre back and not a right back, so you feel the need to say that its exactly what you would do too. Your problem chaddy, is that you are so blinkered, so defensive, that you refuse to even acknowledge any potential negative aspects or worries, and you are insistent on ensuring that no one else can point out valid points. And if they dont agree, you spit your dummy out and tell them to stop moaning and have faith in Mowbray, which is totally irrelevant.

I am a season ticket holder and I did think Nyambe was much improved in the main last season, albeit he still doesnt know how to put in a good cross. That said, we definitely could do with another proper right back, and I find it strange that we seem to be targeting a centre back, when we are far more covered there than at right back.

Nyambe only if this 3 at the back crap is dropped.

That line up is frightening, in terms of the lack of attacking threat in the squad. I hope the formation is just to give everyone a game, not too concerned about the result or performance in a friendly but the lack of attacking quality is stark.

Not directly. But you said about McFadzean, hes experienced, so "what more do people want." Maddison, you turned your nose up but hes very similar to Dack. One of the proven very best players at League 1. Thus both youd think could handle the step up. Whereas Kent, presumably because you think its more likely, youve defended despite very limited success in his spells in the Championship. Davenport and in particular Rothwell, if you was consistent in your posts, youd have flagged up a lack of Championship experience on their part. Obviously you havent as you are totally blindsided to anything like that. And to clarify, im not doubting Mowbray, im not being negative, this post is aimed at your flawed logic and not at Mowbray.

Youre putting too much importance on experience within the division, yet dont care that our new signings have less than 20 games at this level between them?

Maybe you arent trying to wind people up and are just not reading my posts properly. I never said he isnt good enough! My main point is, "trust Mowbray" or "dont judge players before they sign" are not at all valid arguments. People are making judgements and are understandably skeptical about a 31 year old relegated journeyman. Just as they are excited about a player whose signed who was highly rated at city and did well last year. People will make judgements, some positive, some negative, deal with it. Still Charltons perogative to want as much as they see fit for a key player under contract. If someone bid 100k for Mulgrew and we said no would that also be out of order? Never said Kent is less than ideal. I said less ideal than Wilson who did so well at Hull and Woodburn who has looked quality when i have seen him both for club and country. Both players are linked with similar sized clubs so id like to see us also at least try for them rather than settle for someone due to a lack of interest elsewhere. Thats not a good goal record.

Not a chance that he will join a Championship club. Big ego, talented player who will go to France.

Agreed on Wilson and Woodburn being more difficult to sign as they are highly thought of but id like us to show a bit of ambition and make a push for both. Some of the clubs linked include the likes of Sheffield United so i dont think they are necessarily unobtainable. Youre right though, no chance of a permanent deal.

100% agree. Proven to create goals regularly.

Bogle is crap. Constantly offside and not Championship quality. Need better. Need people who can make a difference on loan. Kent would be less ideal than the more ambitious targets of Woodburn and Wilson on loan. Yes they will be harder deals to do but lets have some ambition. Reiss Nelson and Josh Sims are 2 other fast wide men that are highly rated if theyd be available.

Experience is not an only requirement. The player needs to be good enough too! Would we have Gordon Greer back? Wes Brown has experience? I personally dont think centre back is a priority. We are devoid of excitement and pace and have Mulgrew, Lenihan, Downing and worst case scenario Williams and Wharton there. Can you please stop telling me to trust Mowbray, I never said I dont. And to expect people not to judge new signings. I like the sound of Davenport, I presume you dont like that as its pre judging a player? Being linked with a 31 year old relegated journeyman will cause questions. And stop going on about Downing! I gave you the Whittingham example, some people will exceed expectations, some will fail to meet them, but people naturally judge our potential new signings and can do so without you bleating on that they shouldnt. Why is Charlton wanting a high fee for a key player unacceptable? If someone wanted Dack and we didnt sell him you wouldnt say what a joke that is or how unacceptable it is. You had a few weeks of sensible posting leaving interesting debate and now I feel youre just trying to wind people up again.

Wheres this from? And who are the signing? Or just a feeling?