Its not bloody negative and defeatist to say when you want something and you dont get it, that its disappointing! Stop being so childish. If you asked Mowbray, I bet hes disappointed that he didnt get the players he wanted too.

No one doubts that he is TRYING to make the right decisions. Its just, regarding the window, hes not made the right decisions, or if he has, hes failed to act successfully on those right decisions. Everyone trusts him, that hes doing his best, hes working hard, but hes ultimately failed to get not only what we wanted and could see we needed as supporters, but im sure he will be disappointing himself. I get that theres reasons why deals get delayed, there can be a domino effect, but he kept saying he had lists of various players he wanted. You mention Brereton but if that was a player we had in mind, surely a time crops up before the last day, precisely the last hour, before you spring it on the player even if the bid is accepted to move to a new team, that you try and force the issue sooner or move elsewhere, you make the decision. Take Bauer for example as well, he was clearly our number 1 target at centre back, but Mowbray said he had moved on, his unavailability was clear a while back, so surely get the wheels in motion for another deal to get over the line. And im not saying panic buy any old crap, but if there are names on a list, surely they are all players he feel would improve us or they wouldnt be on the list in the first place. Regarding being satisfied at the end of August, I hope you are right. And I agree that its not the end of the world, I still think wed survive but it wouldnt take much more to allow us to be more fanciful of a much higher finish.

You're becoming a parody of yourself, you dont listen to what anyone says, and your sole argument is to stop being negative and have faith, which is not constructive. People are judging him on an individual aspect, his performance in the transfer market. He had the money, he had the lists, the targets, and he failed to address various key positions. The reason that I presume people are praising Hurst because he had targets in mind, for various positions, on a budget, and got them all in, regardless of whether you rate them. Mowbray didnt do this. If Mowbray picks a strange team, or makes bad subs on Saturday and we lose points because of it, I'll criticise. You wont. Doesn't mean I will have lost faith in him. If Mowbray does well with his team and subs and we win, I'll praise him, as you will. If Dack misses an open net, or Mulgrew scores an own goal, they will get criticised. Doesnt mean people have a pathetic lack of faith in them. (And you are clearly lying, you said for months you wanted Jon Nolan here but thats beside the point) How many people have said they have lost faith in Mowbray, or that he should go? No one. I dont know why I have bothered to type this out because youll read it, ignore it and tell me to get behind him, or to have faith, or to stop being negative. You'd get a lot more respect and people would find conversation with you a lot easier if you followed up on your points. Your posts are so one sided. You wanted a striker, a centre back, and a winger. Mowbray failed to get them despite having targets and lists. Yet for some reason, you refuse to accept that its disappointing that we didnt get them.

No im criticising for not getting signings done, yes it isnt easy but if you have the money, as he said he did, lists of targets, and dont bring any in then it is a dissapointment, something I think youve acknowledged in fairness. Agreed on that plus Armstrong is a big plus. All points I did acknowledge in the opening post, there are positives but overall I am dissapointed because in quite a few areas we havent strengthened. That said I reckon Mowbray will be frustrated or dissapointed himself.

But he said we had money, so even if they weren't targets, he has said he has money and not spent any since he said it. But if he had it, why leave it so late, and if that was the case and he had all these lists of targets, why couldnt he get any over the line? So has Conway but experience in the league is not enough. I would prefer someone more dynamic and capable of stretching the play. Gallagher, has he got better, he was much worse last season. And he isnt the focal point we need for our better players to work off, Dack, Armstrong, Palmer etc. When Graham inevitably comes off most weeks, we need someone similar. Games like on Saturday where we need to game manage, Gallagher would have been as ineffective as Nuttall at holding it up.

Obviously hyperbole is natural, a horrific window is an exaggeration, of that il give you. And there is, on both sides of the argument, people who exaggerate and are unreasonable. But you can judge individual aspects of the managers performance without losing total faith in him. Just as if he picks a questionable team, or makes questionable subs on Saturday and we lose, people will criticise him. Or if he signs Adam Armstrong, or if he gets us a win with the correct team or a clever sub, he will get praise. Just like I can credit Coyle for signing Mulgrew, and I never had faith in him at any point. I don't understand why people are so reluctant to criticise when he does make mistakes, or does things that could be interpreted in a negative way. He said he had money, had targets, and hes not got them over the line. Its ok to say that. But ive not seen one person suggesting that they want him sacked or anything, so its not fair to suggest that so many have lost faith in him.

Surely its a very far fetched theory to suggest that we spent the last 24 hours of the window trying to unsettle rival players rather than actually filling the voids in our own squad. We apparently had money to spend, hence the quotes by Mowbray and the bids for Freeman and Brereton, surely its natural to be disappointing that the money wasnt spent sooner, well at all. I'm not saying that signing players is easy but by not bringing in someone to fill the obvious voids, at least some of them, is dissapointed and due to the lateness of them bids, its natural to question the strategy of the manager. Doesn't mean hes not done a good job etc, but as an individual criticism, its IMO fair. In regards to them 2 targets, Pilkington isnt the direct winger we need, nor is Gallagher an effective target man.

Thats the main thing for me. Its unprofessional, clumsy, unplanned, bidding 5m for a player in the last hour of the window, does not suggest that Mowbray knew exactly what he wanted. Mentioned waiting for targets, and different lists, surely all these theoretically good ideas are not borne into practice by making 2 bids in the last 24 hours that eclipse any of the business weve done in the months prior.

Wouldnt you say that bidding 5m for someone who "wasnt top of our list" is not within the sensible spending mantra that you have stated that we need to adhere to? How do you know that our aim is simply and solely to stay up? I don't think anyone is saying we should be in the promotion mix necessarily, but its an open league, teams of a similar size have been in and around the play offs in recent years, and with a bit of a push and the momentum you could never rule it out. Id hazard a guess that less than half of the fan base would be satisfied with 21st, for example.

You are right. There are a lot of fans who like to look down with a degree of self entitlement. Draining the conversation of any debate by refusing to accept that some things warrant criticism. Lets call a spade a spade. Its been a crap window. Does that mean I wont be at Ewood on Saturday? No. Does that mean I am not behind Mowbray any more? No. Does that mean I will be any less excited on Saturday morning? No. 95% of these people dont offer any constructive points behind their defence of our transfer business. And many of those telling people to calm down and chill out are the same people that hound journalists and random fans alike for any sniff of transfer gossip.

Thought I'd start a new thread away from the mayhem of the other one for people to judge the overall success or failure of the transfer window, and to give a rating out of 10. The first priority was to keep all of our main players, we did that so fair play. Another key bit of business was the permanent deal of Armstrong, very pleased by that. Kasey Palmer is a clever loan, a good use of a loan, albeit his best position is the same as Dack. And as Joe Rothwell, a signing that I am a little underwhelmed with, albeit it is a low risk project. Davenport again not a first teamer, more of a project, at the moment, meh. Now to what we havent done. Needed a target man, proved when Nuttall came on for Graham when he tired. Not got one. Needed a pacy winger, if not 2. Not got that. Need a centre back, and were told we had moved on to other targets on this supposed list. Nowhere to be seen. Also potentially need a better central midfielder and a keeper. The worst aspect of it has been the blatant lack of a strategy for me, a plan, and the way we have conducted ourselves. Mowbray constantly bleated on about A, B, C and D lists and having money and it all seemed to be following a strategy. Waiting for better quality. Sadly, ending with nothing despite 2 massive bids within the last 24 hours that were never more than either token gestures or panic buys, does not suggest a plan was in place. People can bang on about the loan market, even loan with obligation to buys are ones that could have been done properly before today if we had any sort of plan. Not convinced that money was there with the token bids at the end but thats a seperate issue. I think we need a target man, a winger and a centre back in on loan, that would leave us with 4 loans which contrasts with Mowbrays comments that you cant build a club on loans, 1 or 2 for a bit of extra quality yes, if they are obligations to buy, then they are just deals that could have been done earlier without missing games with a bit of organisation. For all the respect that I have for him, Mowbray has not had a good transfer window at all. 3 out of 10. (and please, saying stop being negative is not a valid argument, if people are happy then fine but please add constructive debate)

Whilst constantly tweeting people for transfer updates.

If you are so chilled out, why are you asking so many people on twitter about transfers? I will wait and see, some people are overreacting in that its a bit premature as there is nearly 3 hours left. That said, its incredibly bizarre that you was saying we need 3 or 4 players before the window, but you are now saying that if we sign no one its still no big deal.

Yeah we dont need both.

Agreed on Windass. Looks like that one might be too late if the rumour is true. Both him and Freeman would be exciting signings though.

Dominic Shawcross tweeting that Josh Windass is going to Ipswich but weve shown late interest. Like Freeman, both I'd question in terms of Mowbrays priorities, but also be very excited. Both have impressive stats and have impressed me when ive watched them.

Wheres this from? Hope Gallagher isnt coming back.

Freeman is an excellent player but similar to what weve already got.

I agree but I dont think there is any distrust in the manager either so I feel like theres a bit of a myth that people think hes a liar or dishonest. Just wanted to add a bit of balance on that front. The main thing that makes me slightly less hopeful about tomorrow is Mowbrays comments today about the loan market. For me, especially considering his comments prior about not being too reliant on loans, we need to be doing the brunt of our business tomorrow, with maybe a suggestion of a further loan to add to Palmer after, and even then, get that done as soon as possible. But happy to wait and see. To be fair, some of the posters posts since suggest he may have been on the wind up anyway.

Wheres your Norwood figure from? http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/08/08/report-leeds-united-close-to-signing-brightons-oliver-norwood-fo/ Albeit I didnt realise he was close to signing for Leeds. If Martin is "not great" (proven Championship goalscorer who can hold the ball up) I'd suggest your expectations are a little high. Ojo has been suggested to a few teams on loan.

My point was that Venkys have history for turning off the tap at the flick of a switch. Even if Mowbray has been working under a budget that hes been promised, until its spent it can still be taken back. The word liar is a strong one I felt. I didnt expect Armstrong to be bought, and im hoping for more pleasant surprises tomorrow and I never said that I think anything specific will happen, I will judge at 5 tomorrow. Was just saying I understand people being skeptical of the owners and think that being skeptical of them and thinking Mowbray is a liar are exclusive to each other. I dont think ive known anyone to question his integrity so its not fair to assume that.

He never said or insinuated that he felt that Mowbray was a liar. In fact he made specific reference to who he would blame if we dont get what we need in the market, ie the owners. Even if Mowbray feels he has the money, the owners have the final say, until the ink is dry on the new signings contract any promises from them mean nothing, considering what theyve done in the past. We will be able to judge the window in 24 hours, both in terms of what is spent and what has been done with the money. But please stop spreading things like people think Mowbray is a liar, no one said that.

Our cheesy social media which isnt for me at all has been outshined by Burnleys announcement of Mee signing an extended deal: That said, the fact that we have yet to announce more than one at once is not indicative of anything!

Kasey Palmer has far more of an attacking threat and I have picked an attacking team. We are at home against a well drilled team. Did you watch the Ipswich game? Evans was far better than Smallwood, so surely his place would be more likely to be under threat.

In terms of names, if we are intent on improving central midfield, which shouldnt be a priority, but anyway, rather than trying to sign MLS players, Oliver Norwood is a very good midfielder at this level and is available from Brighton. Sheyi Ojo, Nikola Vlasic, Josh Sims and Brahim Diaz are all players that maybe we could sign on loan as natural wingers? Chris Martin would be a very shrewd addition, him or Nelson Oliviera. Maybe Nedum Onouha on a cheap deal would be a clever move to save money for more pressing positions, if he is fit enough. Bakary Sako is still without a club, again no idea on wage demands.