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Ipswich continuing to regret the sacking of the man keeping them in the League. Wigan doing almost identical to us, 2 very similar teams, Cook doing a very good job there. Thought Stoke were about to turn a corner and very surprised by Birmingham winning there. Swansea will be an interesting game midweek. I dont think they will be in the play off hunt, not enough quality, depth or experience for me.

As jim said, your stupid "regardless of cost" comment. Say stupid things, expect to be laughed at.

Again, I dont get the over-protectiveness or implying that everyone is desperate for a negative amidst a very good day. Look at the Leeds thread, Armstrong, Evans, Mulgrew, Lenihan, Graham, Raya, Bennett etc, all receiving praise. As has Brereton from many quarters (me included) but theres the additional issue of where he was played. The only reason people came to this thread is that there was already an ongoing conversation on him before the game, whether people like it or not, a 7m million pound signing will attract plenty of debate. "Questionable pop at a young lad" suggests that the fans are on his back in any way. I can suggest from being at the game that nothing could be further from the truth, got hearty applause on numerous occasions, in fact the fans again today were brilliant in general. Mowbray can always do as he wants, as he is manager. People should also be free to judge what he does, on an internet messageboard, without being jumped on as if they are giving him a hard time.

Dont get the clamour to put him in defence. 2 games of promise.

Ben Gladwin wont be happy to hear that.

Ive not seen the explosive pace hes supposed to had and hes never a winger. Some of his passes and lay offs resemble someone unfamiliar with a footballer. But I thought he did well today, exactly what we would want from him and a vast improvement on usual.

Brilliant result and performance, looked to be going towards the usual narrative, missed chances and throwing away points. But we matched the levels in the second half and good to see Lenihan on target. Much needed home win as our home form has been our achilles heel this year. Thought Armstrong was absolutely brilliant, only qualm is the lack of goal but he was so positive and his pace ripped them apart time and time again. Graham superb as a focal point, Raya with a great save and he impressed me with his catching. Reed industrious, Evans was superb again and I hope he plays alongside Rodwell in midweek. Dack quieter than usual but did fine. Two centre backs very good, Bennett stuck to his task very well, Bell possibly our weakest player and wouldnt be surprised to see Williams come back in Found the Brereton change a bit strange, hes never a winger and didnt track back, nor is Dack a number 9. I actually thought Brereton did quite well when he came on though, he doesnt look like a footballer and some of his passes were lacking intelligence, but he definitely offered far more than he has in the past. Rodwell and Conway also did their jobs.

Cant believe Shane Long still gets a game. Awful player. Alan Browne is doing well at Preston, surrpised hes not closer to your starting 11.

He can moan until the cows come home, its not going to change owt.

Definitely think that O'Neill is a dinosaur, but I do also think that the squad is so poor. He did argue the other day that he is dealing with largely a squad of Championship players, often in and out at their clubs and he is correct. Would argue that with their Celtic core of Tierney, Forrest, McGregor, Griffiths and also Robertson and Cairney, Scotland have a far better playing squad, although their manager is possibly even worse.

Maybe on paper but never on grass, thats the problem.

Mulgrews clearly got a strong desire to play for his country though. The games you mentioned were around the time that he was made captain for a few games. With the introduction of the Nations League, the intention is seemingly to remove wherever possible the notion of a friendly so Im not sure how you can apply this "common sense" and ask him to not play for his country.

Raya Reed Lenihan Mulgrew Williams Rodwell Evans Bennett Dack Palmer Graham Subs: Leutwiler, Bell, Smallwood, Rothwell, Armstrong, Brereton, Travis When we tend to have a doubt, he rarely plays so I suspect that Mulgrew will miss out. Hope Reed is taken off corners.

I do hope not.

Disabled fans in the lower tier then. Ive no idea, probably very few. That doesnt mean its the right decision, or that I cant feel aggrieved. Its still not wise to aggravate supporters. Well they have the exact same dilemma they face now, attend some weekend games as a walk on or get a season ticket and attend as many as possible. Both preferably without the added reasons not to of a surcharge and higher season ticket prices! My point is that I feel/would guess that any new fans who dont have season tickets at the moment who would buy one of these tickets would be more than offset by the number who would change from having full season tickets (id suggest that more than 50% dont/cant attend all 23 games) to the type of ticket that you suggest. Thus you are basically shutting down any chance of even a slightly respectable midweek attendance. Your attitude is, dont question anything, it is how it is and thats that. Waggott is not beyond question just like anyone else at the club isnt. I dont understand why you use a messageboard if youre attitude is that theres no point mentioning things as it "wont change owt." Suggesting which players we could sign/sell, what tactics wed play and what subs we would have made is also futile by such an attitude.

Theres a galling lack of empathy and an inability to see any other person circumstance aside from your own. As @Hasta touched on, obviously the surcharge wont affect you, or me in fact, regular season ticket holders. I dont understand your staunch defence of it based on the sole reasoning on Waggott said it so it must be true. I applaud the thinking outside the box re the weekend only/x number of games only season tickets but it would just encourage current season holders to downgrade. Again, youve only thought of it as you do shift work, therefore you seem to presume that everyone does. Very good post. The club may need to think outside the box rather than focusing on fleecing every penny from its core following. The overestimates sales target and lack of historical knowledge from Waggott all screams amateur to me.

Ive said before but the following: - Reduce season ticket prices slightly. They should not have been put up when we had our perfect chance to get crowds up on the back of promotion. But they should be reduced especially with the added problem of the red button, one I dont blame the club for obviously. - Remove surcharges to encourage walk ons. - Sell the top tier of the Darwen End to away fans first. - Stop moving kick off times unnecessarily, if it means not selling 8k away tickets, so be it. Otherwise home fans may struggle to make it/settle for red button. Home fans should be prioritised. Dont think things like a "x amount of games" season ticket is a wise idea as mooted by some. Will encourage some who do get season tickets to instead pay for less games. Also, damage has been done re the Darwen End fallout. You clearly dont respect others and their opinions, even though many are shared by yourself. You made some very constructive points in your last point on pricing and surcharges etc that were lost amidst you constantly bleating on about moaning, ironically.

Presuming you mean that we need more staff on match day, thats not a valid reason for me at all, as I suspect that wed get a small increase in supporters to offset the £3 per person. 12 in 69 as it stands. The thing is chaddy, a point you continue to miss, we arent talking about massive changes. But that is a significant swing considering its a totally new factor to think of. Surcharges, you agree, but surely thats hypocritical, as that is "moaning" in your eyes when things are going well on the pitch? You also then go on to suggest lower ticket prices. So why the problem with others "moaning" about the prices? I dont have a major problem with Waggott, I just have problems with some of his policies, of which youve just shared similar criticisms. What has he done at all personally that you consider to be him "trying hard to get harmony with fans" may I ask? Ramping up prices or moving some from where they want to sit without explanation isnt that. Maybe hes doing something that im missing?

If you mean Mowbray by management, nonsense. People will always judge game by game but overall hes got the whole fan base behind him. Anyone saying hes doing "a decent job" will not get any detractors. If you mean Waggott, please feel free to tell me what tangible improvements he has made, what he has done that is good? People have criticised him for valid, individual reasons. Pricing, surcharges, kick offs, moving the Darwen End, all things he is responsible for.

Which is irrelevant to the point @Mattyblue was making. Which is why he said you are missing the point. You are discussing people that cant go regardless. Totally moot, obviously thats the case, just as me and you will go regardless. The purpose of this thread is considering those who may see the red button, and usually when theyd rush home from work or whatever to sit in the cold, they might not have that motivation if its on TV. The poll shows that some people WILL be deterred somewhat. A small percentage, but still a blow. Even if we lost 1000 season ticket holders due to it, thats a big blow seeing as Waggotts pricing structure already caused us to sell less than expected. I dont point any fingers at Rovers or any other club for the red button being a deterrent. Hopefully Waggott will learn from his mistakes and make prices cheaper next season to ensure that crowds dont drop, and also as @J*B hopefully the money we receive from any TV deals compensates for any loss. Even though I will benefit personally, for example away games midweek like you are a bonus being on TV, I think from a less selfish point of view, the red button overall is not necessarily a good thing. Football needs supporters in stadiums.

Youre assuming that all fans who dont attend midweek games dont go because they cant. Point being that the red button may deter those who can, and in the past have, from attending too.

Apologies, yes the World Cup. And hes in the Liverpool team, one that finished 2nd and got to a Champions League final, over both players you mentioned, and played a big role in them doing so, as he did in England getting to a World Cup semi final. Im not claiming that he is as good as the likes of Kroos, Modric, Rakitic, Thiago, Busquets and Saul but neither are any of our midfielders. The 3 in midfield did well last night but Barkley and Winks arent regulars at their club. To suggest that we may have "seen the last" of Henderson is fanciful in the extreme, that we can discard a Liverpool regular in our weakest area after 1 game.

I dont really understand this mindset. As you touch on unsall there are different types of supporters for every team. There are supporters that go regardless, presumably you 2 are in that category. I dont agree with the season ticket rises, I dont agree with bending over backwards regarding moving kick off times to allow more away fans to attend, and I am not happy not only to have been moved from the Darwen End, but without any consultation. These are all for me valid criticisms but Ive still got a season ticket and go to some away games. Youd consider it moaning for me to point these out, but they are valid concerns pointed out by loyal attendees who have continued to back the club through thick and thin. But they arent the fans the club should be concerned about. You can call them what you like, glory hunters, fans looking for an excuse not to go, the point is we need as many of these fans in the stadium as we can, we need to try and cut out these potential excuses! Its like you are looking down on these people with the attitude of, it doesnt matter if they attend or not. It does and at a point of relative success in recent years, Waggott and co may have missed the chance to get some of these back. Missing season ticket targets are statistical evidence of that.

Theres no way, regardless of an admittedly excellent performance last night, that we should shut the door on our best player (with Trippier) at the Euros, and a staple of a very successful team at Liverpool.

Did Southgate bottle it again tonight ? Think we need to continue with the back 4, hopefully Southgate has learnt that the 4-3-3 is much better for us in terms of both keeping the ball a bit better (I thought wed struggle v arguably the best 2 midfields in terms of ball retention) and also getting a third man in attack. One interesting thing is where do Dele Alli and Jesse Lingard fit back in when they are fit? We arent in a position to discard them entirely as they are 2 good playees but both are number 10s which we dont play. Ross Barkley has impressed me with his intelligence and discipline in both games. Also think Chilwell deserves a run at left back. Henderson and Stones would also warrant a start youd think. Need to ensure that we dont try and shoe horn 2 right backs in just because we are strong there. Walkers never a centre back.