Just now, JHRover said:

If that claim is successful then just about every other club with financial issues this summer would have the green light to go into admin, clear their debts and not be punished. It would actually be daft not to go into administration.

It would open the floodgates to carnage in the divisions. Can't be allowed.

Not really.

All this seems down to the new owner who, arguably, should not have completed the acquisition.  This is not the fault of Wigan FC.

I think it's 75/25 in favour of Wigan being successful in any appeal. 

2 minutes ago, rigger said:

But surely if they win an appeal. Then the teams relegated could also appeal against the outcome of the original appeal

Don't think so - quite simply, without the points deduction (which would be deemed unfair if the appeal is successful) they would have been relegated anyhow.

10 minutes ago, rigger said:

But to me a simple engineer. The club broke the rules, they are punished. How will they win an appeal?

You are right if looked at in black and white.

However, think we are now in a 'grey area' and the decision from the appeal may well become a precedent - law and the like, in these sort of matters, evolves.

6 hours ago, rigger said:

I thought the rules are if you go into administration, there is a punishment. Nothing about the factors for going into administration . I don’t see how Wigan could win an appeal.

As I said, I think they will win the appeal.

Those who run the club did not deliberately run the club into the ground nor strive to keep operating when they knew insolvency was approaching - it was not an attempt to 'cut and run' at the expense of the creditors.

I think it will be construed the new owner of less than four weeks was grossly culpable and the EFL, IMO, have made a real dog's breakfast of it.

25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Hope Fulham go up tonight. Brentford through playoffs

Whacked a good size bet on Wigan to be beat Fulham at almost 2/1.

Pretty sure Cooky will have Wigan fired up and will be far too feisty for the southern softies.

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Will Cook stay with them or look to move on? 

Hopefully, Cooky will move to Ewood to replace Mowbray!

3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

28 and playing in the fourth division, finally at his level.

Still hurts my brain to think of how many years we allowed him to stink up our midfield.

Also to think how much we paid this guy in wages over the years - probably measured in £millions!

I don't blame Lowe for that, you must look after yourself and you don't look a gift horse in the mouth!

The lad's probably set himself up for life.

8 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Apparently the non playing staff at the Club who have been furloughed had their wages topped up to 100% by Venky's in the months up to now which in my view was very generous of them.

However at the end of July they will only be getting the 80% from the Government, so, taken in conjunction with the allegation that there is no information forthcoming about budgets for next season I'm not sure if that's something that should be raising red flags slightly.

A huge, huge worry.

To put it into perspective, I would think you are talking about a monthly cost in the £40k to £60k range.  In the scheme of things, for a football club with a staff cost bill of say £23million (as per last accounts) per year, IMO, it's chicken sh1t.

Think your red flags need to be raised a lot, lot more!

2 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

The best managers don't have a "style" - they work on the basis of what suits the individual best. Some people need kicking - some need cuddling..

A bit deeper than that.

You are what you are and management style will depend upon what skills you have in your own locker, your personality, the level of experience you have and, importantly, the needs of your team / colleagues (part of which will include your kicking / cuddling!).  The ethos / culture of your organisation will also play a part (though I'm buggered if I know what that is at Rovers!).

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

and he has Chapman for 18 months so he will also have the inside track on him also?

and he had Chapman when we were in League 1.  If he knew what Chapman 'was all about' then why the hell sign him for a second time?

Chaddy, have you ever managed anyone at work in your life?  If so, what is your style, authoritarian, servant leadership, pacesetting, visionary etc ?

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

His performances for the under 23's in the games I attended haven't been good to deserve a first team squad place. That's why he not be part for 1st team squad. Training is important and showing he deserve your spot. Sulking isn't going to watch

Yes and they also work hard and have good attitude like Rankin Costello and Travis for example

He been playing for the under 23's and not working hard enough or playing well enough

Feckin hell, it's a good job George Best had Busby as his manager and not Tony Mowbray's dad!!!

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Mercer, another prediction from you. have you apply for the TV Show Tipping point yet?

 

Any manager wait for his bosses to tell him, otherwise you would be fired. 

Nonsense. 

You should engage with colleagues upwards, downwards and horizontally.  All good managers across all walks of life do it.

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes Nyambe massively needs to improve the attacking side of his game. 

Yes they have but pull out of the deal in January due to injury concerns. so I would what has change

supposedly this week he finds out

I'll put you out of your misery:  minus £15 to £20million me thinks.

7 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Who appeals the Wigan points deduction? 

And on what grounds? The owners took the decision to put the club into admin, knowing full well what would happen. 

I think Wigan will win their appeal should it come to that.

Administration came so quickly after the change in ownership (was it 26 days) and the club could not see it coming nor could the Football League for that matter .  As far as I can see, there was no deliberate intention to try and play fast and loose with their creditors.

3 hours ago, renrag said:

Think you’re wearing rose tinted glasses re Marshall Burke, he managed less than a season’s worth of games in the two years he was here. It had only taken Leeds about half a season to realise the dingles had sold them a duffer

Think he played many more games than Brereton and Gallagher have manged over a collective 3 seasons!

His goal record wasn't bad for a midfielder either - think he averaged about 1 in 6 - again far better than Brereton and Gallagher!!!

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

@Paul Mani , @Mercer and @roversfan99

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18595444.no-time-that---mowbray-demands-rovers-winger/

Mowbray on Chapman and problem with work rate and desire with him. Talent there 

IMO, just bullsh!t.

I don't think we get this from Mowbray about other players.

IMO, it is personal and Mowbray should not be talking about Chapman like that in the press.  Chapman has every right to be livid.  

IMO, crass management, again, from Mowbray.

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Absolutely. We know from in League 1 quite how effective he can be and I though on Saturday his impact was really positive. The cross was superb for the goal and also the run a bit later was superb. Not only did he beat a couple of players and get out of a tight corner, he looked up and played a great ball in again which Nyambe was about to have a shot from before Gallagher got in his way.

If it doesnt work out for Chapman either then we can speculate on how much the player and how much the manager are to blame but it would be another stain on Mowbrays transfer record. But even in a 15 minute cameo he was more effective as a winger than Gallagher or Brereton have been, out of position to defend them, all season. No one expects Chapman to be amazing but hes something totally different to the ineffective wide play weve seen this season.

More than once, seen him put defenders on their arse in tight areas in the penalty area with the U23's this season.  He frightens defenders and, IMO, the lad is a real talent who just needs managing the right way.

I know I've banged on about Chapman before but I honestly believe he has something a bit special which is in short supply at Rovers. 

Just now, Paul Mani said:

I think you’d have to know what was really going on with Chapman to make an informed opinion. ??

Well kindly spill the beans then......................

8 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Hmm. I'm not sure i agree on the figures but yeah, the general point remains. I wouldn't trust anything at Rovers and the noise coming out of Ewood at the moment are not good ones.

If the tap from India is turned off then ANYTHING is on the table. These are the people who ushered Tom Cairney out the door for a knock down fee without even consulting the manager

It could be a fire sale but surely even they know the consequences of selling our few prized assets.

If their stance is not a rupee more.........................!!!

37 minutes ago, bazza said:

 

Why not? That really is a stupid statement. If your hatred of "Dingles" is that bad, perhaps you hated Keith Newton, Kevin Hird and Mark Patterson who left us to play for them. More to the point John Connelly and Adam Blacklaw were "ex-dingles" who played brilliantly for us. I wish we had a keeper as good as Blacklaw was then.

I'll endorse others views. I'd have Dyche ( or Paul Cooke for that matter) in a flash.

and don't forget Marshall Burke who was a key part of our success under Howard Kendall which very nearly finished with promotion to Division 1 (now the PL).

Mowbray talks about 'slow build and evolution' - feckin hell, Howard Kendall took us from Div 3 to Div 2 and then missed promotion to Div 1 the following season on goal difference.

In two seasons, Kendall worked miracles with virtually nothing to spend.  What he would have given for the then equivalent of some £20million (fees and wages), IMO, spunked up the wall by Mowbray on Brereton and Gallagher.

Kendall v Mowbray - no comparison - IMO, a master v a third rater.  Kendall had the lot - can do attitude, fitness, organisation, tactics, motivation, player trading management etc.

Don't think you can't rule ANYTHING out where Rovers are concerned.

As I've said before, think Waggott and Mowbray already know the financial score.

If it's as bad as it might be, that will necessitate £20million in fees and savings on wages.

3 minutes ago, rigger said:

Subject to appeal, that could be a long process.

It's a recipe for chaos.

This season should be done and dusted on Wednesday night and any punishments dished out next season.  some might not think fair but after coronavirus, football very quickly needs clarity and certainty.

Think this means Luton will be even more desperate to win:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8542283/amp/Wigan-Sheffield-Wednesday-AVOID-relegation-Championship.html?__twitter_impression=true

8 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

One thing about  Chapman he has a sweet delivery as we saw with Gallys goal! Needs more game time. Not really bothered about who goes down, 3 points for rovers nobbers to lose sees us above them!

IMO, the lad has real talent and Mowbray has failed to give him even a quarter chance - in fact, I think Mowbray's management of the lad has been shocking.

Chapman needs a bit of TLC and a run in the team - been saying this on here for ages.

I think he has more natural ability than most at Rovers.

The Cowleys did a fair job at Huddersfield.

Huddersfield were in freefall with 1 point from 6 games when the Cowleys joined and have since taken 50 points from their 39 games in charge.  

Think they deserved another shot at it next season.