12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Keane should be nowhere near a coaching or managerial role. Doesn't have the knowledge or ability to adapt his style. 

 

Think his trophy cabinet has far more medals and awards than your hero Mowbray.

I think 9 out of 10 would take Keane over Mowbray every day of the week.

23 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Reading between the lines the crisis hasn't been a disaster for the whole of the economy. There are plenty of firms out there doing very nicely at the moment, it all depends what line of business you are in.

It is a moment of opportunity for some................................

Some entrepreneurs / investors are very active out there at the moment.

Time to buy shares was 4/5 months ago when FTSE100 down to about 5,000.  Still some bargains to be had, many will bounce back.

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

I wouldn't keep Samuel, Not good enough, get rid. Bring in someone better.      With what?

Downing has been a good signing for us until the lockdown. Since then, not been good enough. 

 

14 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

The other issue is that he’s spent 12 million over the last 2 summers on players he thought were better quality than Samuel, and they aren’t.

This has only exacerbated our financial predicament.

It is not just the transfer fees but some £10million or so of wages and employers' NI we are committed to over the course of Brereton and Gallagher's contracts.

Sadly, I don't think there'll be much realisation value in Brereton and Gallagher.

Given our ongoing losses are say in the £15 to £20million a year range, our only way to even 'stand still' is through either additional share issue (we've seen £19.6million in last 12 months), or sale of players (or combination of both). 

I think we are financially pickled.

1 minute ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Every manager we ever have would just keep walking away if that is the case. I used to say it about Bowyer too but nothing will change whilst we are owned by them.

It's forever been the case. All this talk of walking for pride is no good to us as a club, however good it may look for the blokes doing it.

I agree wholeheartedly that it isn't a difficult request to make but we aren't dealing in normal here. What Mowbray has said isn't lining up excuses, it is the truth, and we've heard it from every manager except Bowyer. 

The point I'm making, Waggott as CEO should be facing up Pune.

Let's say our Exec Directors and Mowbray all resigned, what do you think Pune would do?

59 minutes ago, Jlee1984 said:

There won't be any budget, we were relying on the sale of Dack before the injury to set us straight, The way the contract situations are going is proof we have no money, We need sales and wont be surprised over the next 2 weeks players will be talked up and put in the window

Over the last 12 months, through VLL, the Raos have input £19.6million in three separate share issues - this has kept us afloat and is indicative of our ongoing scale of loss.

With the pandemic, financial position of both parties can only have got worse.

I have been accused of scaremongering but as a finance professional with more years than I care to remember working across industry and commerce, I can tell you things don't feel right to me and I am seriously worried about our ongoing viability.

10 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

TM doesn't need to do anything to put the blame back onto the owners.

If there's a fan out there that blames Mowbray for our delayed budgets / going into the summer unknown then as a collective we should tell them to take a look back at the last decade. This is a Venky problem, always has been and always will be. 

Mercer, give it a rest, not everything is the blokes fault. You are on overdrive lately. We've not had a budget on time since they came, it's hardly an excuse, it's the truth. 

It's down to Waggott.

What is he - a man or a mouse?

Get them told we need a budget and in good time.  If he doesn't get it then he should walk, possibly with a case for constructive dismissal, as clearly he has not got the tools to do his job properly.

It aint rocket science.

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I do wonder if Mowbray is being tactical with his comments in the press, again saying that our clueless owners still have given him no indication on the budget.

As if to put the blame slowly back onto them?

Doesnt feel like next season is one to be excited about, feels like groundhog day.

Feels to me like he's already laying the ground for a season of absolute mediocrity at best!

Get those excuses in early!

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

I won’t defend them but venkys are still financially supporting the club thank god otherwise who knows where we would be?

Yes, they are and without their support the club is finished.

However, they are, IMO, paying for their idiocy.  They bought a top 10 PL and their decisions since have cost them and us so very, very dearly.

9 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Keane and Johnson would be mouth watering. Get Robbie Keane and the Duffer in too. 

I'm not a Keane acolyte like many over here, but I would be happy to see him given a go. It would be interesting at least. 

We need a proven winner - a ruthless, hard b@stard with a 'can do' attitude.  IMO, there is so much complacency, deadwood, here for the holiday etc to be swept away.  

Don't think Keane is tactically great and that's why we'd need a clever number 2 / coach - akin to Kenny / Ray combo. 

29 minutes ago, 47er said:

Since football returned we've taken 7 points from six games. That's borderline relegation form, ludicrous to think we will make the play-offs with Mowbray in charge.

He's never been a good manager, that's the thing. Left Coventry in a mess from which they have never recovered but most telling of all, made a pigs ear of the Celtic job.

How is that possible?!!

I didn't cheer when he came to us, better than Coyle is all you can say about him.

 

Think you'll find it's even worse - 7 points from 7 games.

42 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Bullshit. You would say that because you've had a beef with Mowbray for over 12 months. The argument you've put forward is lacking in context, probably deliberately so "IMO".  I have had my doubts since Mowbray was first appointed, never mind the last 12 months - he would not have been my choice as his track record, IMO, did not justify his appointment.

When Neil Warnock took over Boro (22nd June 2020) Boro had 41 points, level on goal difference - or better - than those around them. Boro were within 3 points from Wigan in 17th place.  M'boro were in freefall.  They'd taken just 5 points from their previous 8 games including losses to Barnsley and Luton.  Gibson knew they were in desperate trouble and hired a man with a proven track record of turning things around.  Warnock's 9 points from 6 games is quite remarkable in the circumstances.

When Tony Mowbray took over Rovers (Feb 2017) we were second bottom, 3pts away from Bristol City and a huge 6pts away from next best placed Wolves, Blues, Forest and QPR even more out of reach. The team we had was awful compared to the Boro team, and to top it off our goal difference was worse than every club around us except Burton's who were level with us.  Mowbray accepted the job with the objective of keeping us up irrespective of what he was inheriting.  He inherited a difficult situation from Coyle, however, IMO, his tactics and game management in a number of games where we were either winning or drawing and went on to either draw or lose cost us our place in the Championship by just 1 point.  Mowbray failed in his objective.

The two situations are incomparable. Mowbray came in with the likes of Greer, Brown and Lowe; Warnock has Dael Fry, Fletcher, Patrick Roberts (!), Howson, George Friend. These are players that have played in Europe / Premier League in the not so distant past.  So what - as Souey used to say 'you wee with the willy you have'.  Mowbray knew what he was inheriting and presumably said 'yes, I can keep us up' if the objective, as the man himself said, was to keep us up.

Again, it wasn't Mowbray who relegated us, it was Coyle, and quite why you'd want to absolve him of that blame is beyond me  - Coyle left us in a mess.  Mowbray's objective was to keep us up - that's why he was appointed.  He failed and therefore we were relegated.  The buck stops at the manager's door.  

Should also note that of the teams around us when Mowbray took over Forest are now play offs, Wolves are in Europe, Villa Premier League. Warnock has Luton, Barnsley and Hull to contend with - different league altogether.  Bullsh1t! - and Mowbray had the likes of Rotherham, Wigan, Burton, Barnsley, Brum, QPR, Ipswich etc

 

6 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Disagree. Premier League Full Backs are practically wingers in 2020, and Nyambe can't shoot or cross or pass at a Premier League level. In fact in an attacking sense, he's average for the Championship. 

He has the strength, the pace and these days the defensive wherewith-all, but to say he has ALL the attributes is very optimistic for him. He can't create things moving forward, he's uncomfortable in the opposition half let alone their final third. There's only a very select few PL clubs who don't use high attacking wingers these days.

Well let's see where he ends up.

My view is he is capable of playing in the PL with the right support through good management and coaching.

7 minutes ago, JoeH said:

And this statement seems very odd. How on earth can we know whether Ryan Nyambe has been doing crossing drills for two years or not? Tony Mowbray did an LT article last year claiming that Ryan spends a lot of time on the grass after training working on his delivery. 

The assumption that a move to a PL club would suddenly make him a great attacking football seems really interesting to me. 

Did I say 'a great attacking footballer in the PL' - no I didn't.

There is coaching and coaching and drills and drills.  IMO, Mowbray, Venus and Lowe will never get the best out of Nyambe.  I think better managers and coaches will.  Case in point Raya who, IMO, looks a far more confident and competent goalkeeper since he moved to Brentford.

7 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Tony Mowbray didn't get us relegated. Owen Coyle did. People that go around throwing their toys out of their pram blaming Mowbray because he's upset them are doing themselves no favours - all they are doing is taking the blame away from chimp features.

If you accept a job to keep the club up and you don't then you have failed - FULL STOP.

Of course Tony Mowbray is, IMO, responsible for our relegation.

Warnock was employed by Middlesbrough to keep them up with 8 games to go when for all the world they looked like a basket case.  Barring freak results in the last two games of the season, he has almost certainly succeeded. JOB FECKIN WELL DONE despite the mess Woodgate left behind! 

Just now, Amo said:

And probably why Keane wouldn't last two seconds here.

Keane would be my choice alongside an innovative and hungry coach.

We need a whirlwind to get rid of all the complacency, deadwood and holiday club atmosphere that, IMO, is ruining our club.

41 minutes ago, Scotland1 said:

Not long he’s the one who put us there

This is a great point.

Mowbray himself said at Blues Bar in Feb. last year that he was brought to the club to keep us up that season.

He failed.

Safety was within our grasp (relegated on goal difference) but, IMO, too many tactical blunders and game management decisions cost us badly.

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Unless you asked every single fan you wont know. Do you have all their phone numbers? 

We have this last season when a poll was done on here that a majority wanted him gone. Whereas on a Rovers fan twitter account did a poll which show a vast majority wanted him to stay if my memory serves me right.

The majority of my family and friends want him to stay as manager. Different fans have different views. 

 

That's nonsense!!!

Professor John Curtice's exit poll at 2019 GE - based on 160,000 (0.5%) out of 32,000,000 was uncannily accurate.

The poll on this MB of some 200 is about 1.6% of Rovers' average gate and, within the usual margins of error, is likely to be very representative (and the sample size is 3 times bigger <1.6% v 0.5%> than the GE poll) of the Rovers' fan base.

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

He probably not even in the country with this Covid 19 crisis. 

What discontent Mercer? no one is in the stadium. They has never been any discontent in the stadium. Barnsley at home was close. 

We dont know what the owners thinking or feelings are. Predicting them is pointless as you have shown with your comments never been right in 7 years

 

Well it's over four months since we had fans in the stadium!

Do you not think this MB gives you a taster and is it not representative of the wider Rovers' fan base?

In my circle of Rovers' contacts (friends, colleagues, clients etc), I'd say 80+% would be glad to see the back of Mowbray which is not dissimilar to where the poll on this MB stands.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

This is extra training after normal training sessions from his comments 

I know Chaddy but how long do the extra sessions last and how frequent are they?

For these drills to be effective, you need to use a number of players to replicate 'real' match situations.

Beckham did many extra hours each week practising his free kicks.

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Nyambe has been doing extra training on his crossing as he said in LT interview previously. Has it improve?

Will depend on how big the 'extra' is and how innovative our coaching team is.  If the drills are anything like our pre match sessions then, IMO, little wonder he's not improving.

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

He has no authority to do anything. This decision on Mowbray's future will be decide by 2 people in India. 

Suhail is their eyes and ears.

He can't fail to have seen how poorly we are performing in the main and how we are as far away from the PL as ever. 

I feel sure he will also have picked up the growing discontent about Mowbray.

IMO, he will make the bullets for the Raos to fire.

2 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Agree with all of that, but his end product is pretty woeful - be it crossing or shooting. What does he have, no goals and a couple of assists in 100 odd appearances? He has every other attribute going though, and agreed under a better set up he’d flourish further.

Crossing or shooting can be improved significantly with the appropriate drills in training.  You put the extra hours in and you reap the benefits.

Like a golfer who's weak at chipping around the green, with the right coaching and some hard graft you improve significantly - you may never be the best in the world but progress can be quite remarkable.

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I hope that Carter starts next to Lenihan with Hilton in goal. with Rothwell, Buckley and Davenport starting also

If Hilton and Carter start, I will put 10 pints for you on your slate at your local wherever that may be!

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its a link for us to discuss. 

Could Bond be coming here a number 2 under a more experience keeper being number 1. 

Why would he leave WBA as their number 2 to come here as a number 2?!

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

This European Scouting System has been up and running for around 7 or 8 months with us. So hopefully this summer we will see signings from this European Scouting System. 

Mulgrew only started that game cos Williams and Adarabioyo were injured. 

I noticed last night Mulgrew wasnt on the bench last night but Carter was. Mulgrew days at the club are done. He needs to move on and find a club where he will play regular. 

Think Mulgrew might find getting paid £1million or so next season, for doing nothing but keeping fit, to be quite an attractive proposition. 

Same as Mowbray's contract - IMO, Waggott needs metaphorically shooting for signing them off.