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10 hours ago, Miller11 said:
A large section of our support are complicit in the dumbing down and ever declining ambition.
Every day you see people claiming we should be ever so grateful to Venky’s because “we could easily become the next Bury/Bolton/Wigan/Sunderland”... Bury?!?! We are Blackburn fucking Rovers, and our own fans are comparing us to Bury!
We could easily have become the next Wolves, Sheffield United, Leicester or Burnley. Why is that considered a pipe dream for Blackburn Rovers? Why is this never mentioned?
We have a CEO, or whatever Waggotts title is, who sees Preston and Brentford as teams we should be aspiring to be like.
No doubt there will be people who think this view is one of entitlement - not at all. I don’t think we are entitled to be in the Premier League, but I do think the club is entitled to be treated with proper attention and respect. And yes, I came along after the tough times Of the 70’s and 80’s, but so did Jack Walker’s influence and legacy, which has been pissed all over. The current mess we are in is akin to that idiot who pissed and snorted away his entire lottery win and ended up back on the dole.
I’m fairly indifferent to Mowbray, it doesn’t look like he will ever make us into genuine promotion contenders, but he’s just a symptom of Venky’s horrendous reign.
Excellent post.
Sadly, I think the chickens are about to come home to roost.
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2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:
Pay abit more? They are paying 6 million pounds a season. hardly a bit more is it? How much is Mowbray on?
Also Leeds pay big wages on players.
I don't know how much Bielsa is on.
If Rovers stopped, IMO, spunking money up the wall on cr@p signings like Brereton and Gallagher and swept all the deadwood away, a fraction of that money would allow us to appoint a quality manager.
Posted a few days ago, the three key positions at a club are CEO, Football Manager and Chief Scout. Sadly, for us, I think we employ three muppets and that is why we are where we are.
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2 hours ago, Proudtobeblue&white said:
Exactly why we are where we are! Coyle and Mowbray FFS!
Fixed it for you!
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IMO, a certain Rovers' win tomorrow (win when it least matters!)
Think Mowbray will be busting a gut to win the last two games so he can bang the drum for Pune to hear about year-on-year improvement.
Those players looking for new contracts will duly oblige for 'Uncle Tone'.
Banged on Rovers win at just better than evens.
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45 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:
Mowbray and his staff have two years left on their contracts. Any change of manager at this point will mean a huge outlay in paying up their contracts and then employing a new manager and backroom team. At a time when the pandemic is still going to restrict normal commercial activity within the game I suspect most clubs, Rovers included, will simply be happy to come through this period with the club intact. That's nonsense on both counts. You negotiate and reach a settlement. If Waggott can't get rid of Mowbray, Venus, Lowe & Benson for less than £1million in total then, IMO, he's not up to it. This would be money saved many times over by NOT renewing the contracts of the deadwood that needs shifting. If survival becomes your objective then you die. We have to be bold and ambitious - I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
If the financial situation at the club is anywhere near as bad as it sounds then it points to players being sold and replacements being a combination of Under-23's, freebies and loans. In the circumstances, I'm not sure how a change of manager, at this point, would do anything but plunge the club into further financial turmoil. You need a manager with a can do attitude who can work the market, inspire and get the best out of what he has at his disposal. IMO, Mowbray can't - already I think he's lining up his excuses, just so feckin negative. Furphy, Lee, Smith, Kendall, Saxton, Mackay etc all faced extreme difficulties but got on with it, each delivering relative success and there were many happy times for the fans under those managers.
Of course, with owners as unpredictable as ours, anything is possible but I suspect that their priorities at the moment are all in India with their own business and maintaining the support their Charitable Foundation gives to the people in the Pune area. At the moment I suspect Ewood is way down on their list of priorities even though they seem to have no inclination to sell the club, indeed far from it looking at the money pumped in each year. As Souey said you wee with the willy you have. The best thing they can do, IMO, is bin Waggott along with the manager and his coaching team and appoint a dynamic CEO who can make things happen even within the parameters Pune lay down. IMO, it's the very poor quality exec. and football management that is also holding our club back. Tell me what Waggott has brought to the party?!
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4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:
Playing career often has little correlation to managerial success. Putting Mowbray down against former Premier League legends just takes the focus away from the real issues at hand, lack of progress in terms of points tallies, transfer horror shows, bizarre tactics etc. Roy Keane (who I like as a pundit) would not be a good appointment.
I think you miss the point.
When Kenny arrived, players listened because of his legendary status. He automatically commanded their attention / respect by his achievements in the game.
Very early in my professional life, I had a mentor who was a retired CEO of a national organisation. I listened and learned and it was perhaps the most beneficial 12 months of my working life!
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Just now, Blue blood said:
See this is the thing. Short of destroying the Jack Walker statue and changing the kit to jockstraps I struggle to see how any new owners could be worse.
We won't get anywhere being the plaything of an agency with owners who won't even use Skype for planning. We are literally set up to fail. I mean seriously the bar is so low now I fail to see how it could be worse.
The 'happy clappers' live in a weird and wonderful world!
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9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:
Not interested in Keane medal collection cos it means nothing in management world.
When was his last job as manager? How did it go?
Rovers goalie to kid Benson 'what've you done in football, show us your caps and medals'
Player to Mowbray 'What've you achieved in football' - 'my wife makes great lemon drizzle cake'!
Bottom line is Keane has done it all and got the tee shirt. Benson and Mowbray haven't.
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Just now, BlackburnEnd75 said:
As a manager both Mowbray and Keane have won the championship.
What he won as a player I'd argue is largely irrelevant now.
The advantage of being a manager when you were a great player is that you have pulling power with players as they want to work with you. How many of the current crop would be desperate to work with Keane with the persona he has on tv? Not many I'd guess, also a lot of the younger lads wont have ever seem him play. If those leaked texts from the ireland camp are anything to go by then it appears they weren't particularly in awe of him either.
9 out of 10 is a big exaggeration I think.
Really?
Well put it to the test and set up a poll on this MB.
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Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:
I'm getting to the point were I might agree with you. Mowbray's a positive football vacuum, a black hole that's sucking the life out of the club.
Telepathic - look at the post I've just made in the Mowbray poll thread!
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Spoke with about half a dozen folk today about Rovers.
What struck me is how apathetic many have become.
It's as though all the energy and desire has been sucked out of our club.
I think we need to change our CEO and manager or we will just die.
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12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:
Keane should be nowhere near a coaching or managerial role. Doesn't have the knowledge or ability to adapt his style.
Think his trophy cabinet has far more medals and awards than your hero Mowbray.
I think 9 out of 10 would take Keane over Mowbray every day of the week.
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23 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:
Reading between the lines the crisis hasn't been a disaster for the whole of the economy. There are plenty of firms out there doing very nicely at the moment, it all depends what line of business you are in.
It is a moment of opportunity for some................................
Some entrepreneurs / investors are very active out there at the moment.
Time to buy shares was 4/5 months ago when FTSE100 down to about 5,000. Still some bargains to be had, many will bounce back.
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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:
I wouldn't keep Samuel, Not good enough, get rid. Bring in someone better. With what?
Downing has been a good signing for us until the lockdown. Since then, not been good enough.
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14 minutes ago, Miller11 said:
The other issue is that he’s spent 12 million over the last 2 summers on players he thought were better quality than Samuel, and they aren’t.
This has only exacerbated our financial predicament.
It is not just the transfer fees but some £10million or so of wages and employers' NI we are committed to over the course of Brereton and Gallagher's contracts.
Sadly, I don't think there'll be much realisation value in Brereton and Gallagher.
Given our ongoing losses are say in the £15 to £20million a year range, our only way to even 'stand still' is through either additional share issue (we've seen £19.6million in last 12 months), or sale of players (or combination of both).
I think we are financially pickled.
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1 minute ago, Dreams of 1995 said:
Every manager we ever have would just keep walking away if that is the case. I used to say it about Bowyer too but nothing will change whilst we are owned by them.
It's forever been the case. All this talk of walking for pride is no good to us as a club, however good it may look for the blokes doing it.
I agree wholeheartedly that it isn't a difficult request to make but we aren't dealing in normal here. What Mowbray has said isn't lining up excuses, it is the truth, and we've heard it from every manager except Bowyer.
The point I'm making, Waggott as CEO should be facing up Pune.
Let's say our Exec Directors and Mowbray all resigned, what do you think Pune would do?
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59 minutes ago, Jlee1984 said:
There won't be any budget, we were relying on the sale of Dack before the injury to set us straight, The way the contract situations are going is proof we have no money, We need sales and wont be surprised over the next 2 weeks players will be talked up and put in the window
Over the last 12 months, through VLL, the Raos have input £19.6million in three separate share issues - this has kept us afloat and is indicative of our ongoing scale of loss.
With the pandemic, financial position of both parties can only have got worse.
I have been accused of scaremongering but as a finance professional with more years than I care to remember working across industry and commerce, I can tell you things don't feel right to me and I am seriously worried about our ongoing viability.
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10 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:
TM doesn't need to do anything to put the blame back onto the owners.
If there's a fan out there that blames Mowbray for our delayed budgets / going into the summer unknown then as a collective we should tell them to take a look back at the last decade. This is a Venky problem, always has been and always will be.
Mercer, give it a rest, not everything is the blokes fault. You are on overdrive lately. We've not had a budget on time since they came, it's hardly an excuse, it's the truth.
It's down to Waggott.
What is he - a man or a mouse?
Get them told we need a budget and in good time. If he doesn't get it then he should walk, possibly with a case for constructive dismissal, as clearly he has not got the tools to do his job properly.
It aint rocket science.
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11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:
I do wonder if Mowbray is being tactical with his comments in the press, again saying that our clueless owners still have given him no indication on the budget.
As if to put the blame slowly back onto them?
Doesnt feel like next season is one to be excited about, feels like groundhog day.
Feels to me like he's already laying the ground for a season of absolute mediocrity at best!
Get those excuses in early!
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2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:
I won’t defend them but venkys are still financially supporting the club thank god otherwise who knows where we would be?
Yes, they are and without their support the club is finished.
However, they are, IMO, paying for their idiocy. They bought a top 10 PL and their decisions since have cost them and us so very, very dearly.
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9 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:
Keane and Johnson would be mouth watering. Get Robbie Keane and the Duffer in too.
I'm not a Keane acolyte like many over here, but I would be happy to see him given a go. It would be interesting at least.
We need a proven winner - a ruthless, hard b@stard with a 'can do' attitude. IMO, there is so much complacency, deadwood, here for the holiday etc to be swept away.
Don't think Keane is tactically great and that's why we'd need a clever number 2 / coach - akin to Kenny / Ray combo.
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29 minutes ago, 47er said:
Since football returned we've taken 7 points from six games. That's borderline relegation form, ludicrous to think we will make the play-offs with Mowbray in charge.
He's never been a good manager, that's the thing. Left Coventry in a mess from which they have never recovered but most telling of all, made a pigs ear of the Celtic job.
How is that possible?!!
I didn't cheer when he came to us, better than Coyle is all you can say about him.
Think you'll find it's even worse - 7 points from 7 games.
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42 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:
Bullshit. You would say that because you've had a beef with Mowbray for over 12 months. The argument you've put forward is lacking in context, probably deliberately so "IMO". I have had my doubts since Mowbray was first appointed, never mind the last 12 months - he would not have been my choice as his track record, IMO, did not justify his appointment.
When Neil Warnock took over Boro (22nd June 2020) Boro had 41 points, level on goal difference - or better - than those around them. Boro were within 3 points from Wigan in 17th place. M'boro were in freefall. They'd taken just 5 points from their previous 8 games including losses to Barnsley and Luton. Gibson knew they were in desperate trouble and hired a man with a proven track record of turning things around. Warnock's 9 points from 6 games is quite remarkable in the circumstances.
When Tony Mowbray took over Rovers (Feb 2017) we were second bottom, 3pts away from Bristol City and a huge 6pts away from next best placed Wolves, Blues, Forest and QPR even more out of reach. The team we had was awful compared to the Boro team, and to top it off our goal difference was worse than every club around us except Burton's who were level with us. Mowbray accepted the job with the objective of keeping us up irrespective of what he was inheriting. He inherited a difficult situation from Coyle, however, IMO, his tactics and game management in a number of games where we were either winning or drawing and went on to either draw or lose cost us our place in the Championship by just 1 point. Mowbray failed in his objective.
The two situations are incomparable. Mowbray came in with the likes of Greer, Brown and Lowe; Warnock has Dael Fry, Fletcher, Patrick Roberts (!), Howson, George Friend. These are players that have played in Europe / Premier League in the not so distant past. So what - as Souey used to say 'you wee with the willy you have'. Mowbray knew what he was inheriting and presumably said 'yes, I can keep us up' if the objective, as the man himself said, was to keep us up.
Again, it wasn't Mowbray who relegated us, it was Coyle, and quite why you'd want to absolve him of that blame is beyond me - Coyle left us in a mess. Mowbray's objective was to keep us up - that's why he was appointed. He failed and therefore we were relegated. The buck stops at the manager's door.
Should also note that of the teams around us when Mowbray took over Forest are now play offs, Wolves are in Europe, Villa Premier League. Warnock has Luton, Barnsley and Hull to contend with - different league altogether. Bullsh1t! - and Mowbray had the likes of Rotherham, Wigan, Burton, Barnsley, Brum, QPR, Ipswich etc
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6 minutes ago, JoeH said:
Disagree. Premier League Full Backs are practically wingers in 2020, and Nyambe can't shoot or cross or pass at a Premier League level. In fact in an attacking sense, he's average for the Championship.
He has the strength, the pace and these days the defensive wherewith-all, but to say he has ALL the attributes is very optimistic for him. He can't create things moving forward, he's uncomfortable in the opposition half let alone their final third. There's only a very select few PL clubs who don't use high attacking wingers these days.
Well let's see where he ends up.
My view is he is capable of playing in the PL with the right support through good management and coaching.
7 minutes ago, JoeH said:And this statement seems very odd. How on earth can we know whether Ryan Nyambe has been doing crossing drills for two years or not? Tony Mowbray did an LT article last year claiming that Ryan spends a lot of time on the grass after training working on his delivery.
The assumption that a move to a PL club would suddenly make him a great attacking football seems really interesting to me.
Did I say 'a great attacking footballer in the PL' - no I didn't.
There is coaching and coaching and drills and drills. IMO, Mowbray, Venus and Lowe will never get the best out of Nyambe. I think better managers and coaches will. Case in point Raya who, IMO, looks a far more confident and competent goalkeeper since he moved to Brentford.
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Frightening similarities for Rovers - hasn't our wage bill over the last three sets of accounts averaged close on 160% of turnover!?
I think Rovers are in big trouble and when the final ball of the season has been kicked next Wednesday night, to use one of Mowbray's often used sayings, 'let's see what happens'.