Rudy Gestede

[aletheia]

20 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Nope. Remarkable example of how fickle some of our fans are. When Rudy has had 5 years to achieve little to nothing, been part of umpteen players to leave due to contract issues and overseen back to back winter transfer windows with deals falling down due to paperwork, I’ll join you on this comment.

Not fickle at all.

Most here still believe that SWAG was slippery, economical with the truth.

Many now believe that RG is worse.

5 years? I see -that's how long we have to give the new aligned plan before we can comment.

[JBiz]

7 minutes ago, aletheia said:

Not fickle at all.

Most here still believe that SWAG was slippery, economical with the truth.

Many now believe that RG is worse.

5 years? I see -that's how long we have to give the new aligned plan before we can comment.

No, that’s how long we had used car salesman Steve in charge for pal, and he was shit.

[aletheia]

Not many are arguing with that. But is it ok if we suggest that RG is shit and shouldn't be anywhere near this club?

[JBiz]

2 minutes ago, aletheia said:

Not many are arguing with that. But is it ok if we suggest that RG is shit and shouldn't be anywhere near this club?

You can say what you want, but I’d call it fickle. I mean Steve was the guy who 2 managers actively forced their way from.
 

Yes, Rudy was around last summer as a part of the machine, but he truly now is the person who takes utmost responsibility for the football side. If his manager walks away before Christmas, and we’re flopping around mid table or at the bottom, then you will be correct and I will have more rationale for agreeing that he’s on the way to being as much of a twat as Steve Waggott.

There is no law against not being convinced or making your mind up by a certain time.

[BRFC.]

26 minutes ago, JBiz said:

No, that’s how long we had used car salesman Steve in charge for pal, and he was shit.

And that means we should trust Rudy the bully? 

[JBiz]

34 minutes ago, BRFC. said:

And that means we should trust Rudy the bully? 

You do you.

[Hasta]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

No, that’s how long we had used car salesman Steve in charge for pal, and he was shit.

Who was actually in charge?

Same question I suspect as who actually interviewed and chose Owen Coyle as manager? Something which has never been answered.

[JBiz]

1 minute ago, Hasta said:

Who was actually in charge?

Same question I suspect as who actually interviewed and chose Owen Coyle as manager? Something which has never been answered.

I don’t think that was Gestede!

Seriously though I don’t know, but there’s only been one “director” at Ewood ever since the owners darkened our door.

[aletheia]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

You can say what you want, but I’d call it fickle.

It would be fickle if I had said previously that RG was ok or a good appointment. Surprisingly, I never did.

[JBiz]

3 minutes ago, aletheia said:

It would be fickle if I had said previously that RG was ok or a good appointment. Surprisingly, I never did.

I don’t know what you’ve previously said about Waggott either.

It doesn’t really matter what definition we put on it, fickle, presumptuous, jumping the gun, not based on reality etc - Steve Waggott had a lot of time here and the paints still peeling off the fucking stadium, so it’ll take more than rumours about dress code to make me agree that the sporting director is more of a twat!

Like I said though, all arrows point to more failure, more managers walking because they’re not being backed and more turmoil! Hope I’m wrong. Only one personal responsible for that this season. His head is on the block.

[aletheia]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

I mean Steve was the guy who 2 managers actively forced their way from.

Also, we could argue it was Pasha's decisions and general dysfuntion behind the scenes that caused that. And if you mean JE, I think RG had a large hand in that.

[aletheia]

1 minute ago, JBiz said:

Only one personal responsible for that this season

Well if that is Pasha, we have one thing we can agree on.

[JBiz]

2 minutes ago, aletheia said:

Also, we could argue it was Pasha's decisions and general dysfuntion behind the scenes that caused that. And if you mean JE, I think RG had a large hand in that.

I’m not sure how JDT left because of RG, I would’ve said it was a budget change “mid project” and Greg Broughtnothing. You might know more than I though.

[DE.]

When it comes to arguing Waggott vs Gestede/Pasha it feels a bit like arguing whether being punched in the face or kicked in the stomach is better. Neither is a great option.

Waggott was, if nothing else, a canny operator who was able to do as instructed by keeping us in the Championship without spending a great deal. He had the ability to charm many who met him and leave them believing things weren't so bad. He was in many ways the perfect person for our owners to have in the CEO position, much like Mowbray was the perfect person for them to have in the managerial seat. With our chronic lack of serious ambition to go beyond trundling along in this division it boggles the mind as to why they'd want to remove either of them. 

[aletheia]

3 minutes ago, JBiz said:

I’m not sure how JDT left because of RG,

Again, I didn't say that..... 

[JBiz]

8 minutes ago, aletheia said:

Again, I didn't say that..... 

Sorry, that’s my bad. I’d say you’re probably correct! JE*

[JBiz]

11 minutes ago, DE. said:

When it comes to arguing Waggott vs Gestede/Pasha it feels a bit like arguing whether being punched in the face or kicked in the stomach is better. Neither is a great option.

Waggott was, if nothing else, a canny operator who was able to do as instructed by keeping us in the Championship without spending a great deal. He had the ability to charm many who met him and leave them believing things weren't so bad. He was in many ways the perfect person for our owners to have in the CEO position, much like Mowbray was the perfect person for them to have in the managerial seat. With our chronic lack of serious ambition to go beyond trundling along in this division it boggles the mind as to why they'd want to remove either of them. 

Very good point first sentence.

Waggott and Mowbray did have the most money to spend re wages / transfer fee though and lots of the investments left for free, and spent money on loans every season.
 

If the opposite policy, which is probably enforced due to financial issues, being employed by Rudy (as sporting director or whatever title he has, I would hope Pasha has no input into football matters properly but I bet I’d be disappointed) puts us in turmoil, because the players coming into the club can’t cut it… the rationale grows for calling Rudy a failure.

re Pasha, he was around during the previous 15 years too (including SW/TM)- but being effectively chief exec, he is firmly in the firing line now, and I think that’s a good thing.

He has always been a failure.

[DE.]

1 minute ago, JBiz said:

Very good point first sentence.

Waggott and Mowbray did have the most money to spend re wages / transfer fee though and lots of the investments left for free, and spent money on loans every season.
 

If the opposite policy, which is probably enforced due to financial issues, being employed by Rudy (as sporting director or whatever title he has, I would hope Pasha has no input into football matters properly but I bet I’d be disappointed) puts us in turmoil, because the players coming into the club can’t cut it… the rationale grows for calling Rudy a failure.

re Pasha, he was around during the previous 15 years too (including SW/TM)- but being effectively chief exec, he is firmly in the firing line now, and I think that’s a good thing.

He has always been a failure.

Pasha is the one constant, and basically the arm of the owners, the other constant. Everything else is noise. 

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, JBiz said:

You can say what you want, but I’d call it fickle. I mean Steve was the guy who 2 managers actively forced their way from.
 

Yes, Rudy was around last summer as a part of the machine, but he truly now is the person who takes utmost responsibility for the football side. If his manager walks away before Christmas, and we’re flopping around mid table or at the bottom, then you will be correct and I will have more rationale for agreeing that he’s on the way to being as much of a twat as Steve Waggott.

There is no law against not being convinced or making your mind up by a certain time.

There is nothing to suggest that either left specifically because of him.