MarkBRFC Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: The club should be looking to sort new contracts when 2 years left on their contracts. Toth, Carter, Wharton, Mcloughlin, Pickering, Cantwell, Kargbo & Ohashi's contracts all expire in less than two years. How many of those do you think will sign new contracts now that we can't use the excuse of "it was out of our control before we arrived"? 2 Quote
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AndyB Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 14 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said: Yes, Gestede comes across as a massive knobhead.ย As he's French the term you're looking for isย tรชte de nลud Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said: It's bollocks and you know it. Travis himself publicly stated he wanted to stay ๐ As did Brittain. As has Tronstad. Dolan would 100% stayed if we'd offered him a decent contract early on. The point he purposely leaves out is once they know they are being low balled and their agents put the feelers out then they won't sign unless better terms are offered. The club have now even made it public all they were offering was one year extensions on the same terms in a clear 'take it or leave it move' because they wanted to cash in. They'll continue to do this and we'll continue to lose the better players whilst they also won't offer better contracts to long serving academy grads who've proven themselves championship standard. ย Therefore we'll lose them as well. 3 Quote
AndyB Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 27 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: Toth, Carter, Wharton, Mcloughlin, Pickering, Cantwell, Kargbo & Ohashi's contracts all expire in less than two years. How many of those do you think will sign new contracts now that we can't use the excuse of "it was out of our control before we arrived"? If they're currently on less than ยฃ10K/week and don't want any more thanย our alleged wage ceiling of ยฃ10K/week, then I'm guessing none of them. If they're on more thanย ยฃ10K/week like Cantwell, they will be sold ASAP 2 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago (edited) GB tried to get Dolan to sign a new contract 2 years ago and he didn't want to enter negotiations cos he was changing agents.ย Tronstad said in a Norwegian podcast last summer he wanted to return to Norway at the end of contract. Posted the link last week to a poster who posted that info Travis was never staying here when Eustace left and of course he would publicly say he wanted to stay here, in case he didn't get a move. Listen to Travis Derby country interview last week with their BBC Derby, he wanted out from here.ย ย Edited 8 hours ago by chaddyrovers 3 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 41 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: Toth, Carter, Wharton, Mcloughlin, Pickering, Cantwell, Kargbo & Ohashi's contracts all expire in less than two years. How many of those do you think will sign new contracts now that we can't use the excuse of "it was out of our control before we arrived"? maybe ask me for Tomorrow night EuroMillions numbers aswell.ย 1 Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago Just now, chaddyrovers said: maybe ask me for Tomorrow night EuroMillions numbers aswell.ย Well you seemed pretty confident to say multiple times this summer that Brittain and Tronstad would sign new deals. So, how many of that lot who expire in less than two years do you think will sign new contracts here? Going off recent history, I will say none, with the outside chance of one, being Wharton because he's a Blackburn lad. 2 Quote
London blue Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, 47er said: No. it has to be in line with what's the going rate. As a Conservative surely you believe in the law of supply and demand? Don't pay adequate salaries and your staff go to someone who does. Lose Wharton and Carter, as we will, and the slide will be on. Feels like he believes more in austerity. 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 17 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: Well you seemed pretty confident to say multiple times this summer that Brittain and Tronstad would sign new deals. I thought Brittain would cos of Ismael.. None of us knew Tronstad wants to back to Norway at the end of his contract.ย 17 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: So, how many of that lot who expire in less than two years do you think will sign new contracts here? I hope we get some. A couple will move on for first team opportunities.ย 17 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: Going off recent history, I will say none, with the outside chance of one, being Wharton because he's a Blackburn lad. ย 1 Quote
davulsukur Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: The club should be looking to sort new contracts when 2 years left on their contracts. But also need to look.at different player situation. Dolan never going to re-sign here, Travis never to sign a new contract here and would follow Eustaceย ย Don't agree. Every club have wage budget and some higher wages than others but its results on the pitch that matters. Your wage bill need to in line with what you can afford Our self imposed wage cap has already seen us lose Travis, Hyam, Dolan and Brittain. 4 players who would be starting here every week, 3 of which went to other championship clubs.ย We'll never retain any good players, as they will always want to leave for more money. So the results on the pitch will inevitably get worse as the quality of the squad is constantly reduced. 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago It'll come to a point soon where the likes of Preston, Oxford and similar will come in and take our better players simply by offering standard championship wages of a couple of grand a week more over 3 years. The happy clappers are going to need lots and lots of blow up snakes in the near future. 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 19 minutes ago, davulsukur said: Our self imposed wage cap has already seen us lose Travis, Hyam, Dolan and Brittain. 4 players who would be starting here every week, 3 of which went to other championship clubs.ย We'll never retain any good players, as they will always want to leave for more money. So the results on the pitch will inevitably get worse as the quality of the squad is constantly reduced. is it self imposed wage cap or is it Rovers paying what we can afford within our financesย Dolan was never re-sign here as I said earlier.ย Travis wasn't after Eustace left. See his comments with BBC Derby, he wanted out Brittain I thought he would cos of Ismael.ย None did, but we sold them and reinvest some of money into signings, so instead of looking back and back why not look forward to the players here and will actually be playing in Rovers shirt this season.ย Edited 7 hours ago by chaddyrovers 1 1 Quote
Tricky Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: It'll come to a point soon where the likes of Preston, Oxford and similar will come in and take our better players simply by offering standard championship wages of a couple of grand a week more over 3 years. The happy clappers are going to need lots and lots of blow up snakes in the near future. must be insufferable for you and the other moaners living with this sort of fear on a daily basisย ๐ 1 Quote
davulsukur Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: is it self imposed wage cap or is it Rovers paying what we can afford within our financesย Dolan was never re-sign here as I said earlier.ย Travis wasn't after Eustace left. See his comments with BBC Derby, he wanted out Brittain I thought he would cos of Ismael.ย None did, but we sold them and reinvest some of money into signings, so instead of looking back and back why not look forward to the players here and will actually be playing in Rovers shirt this season.ย Can any championship club "afford" wages, most will be in significant debt and running at a loss, surely? The club would have had very little problems in getting all 4 on a new contract if the club paid the going rate in the championship and showed some level of ambition but as we do neither, it's no wonder they all left. I'm sure everyone is looking forward to seeing how the new players get on but we all know that none will be here beyond the length of their contracts, or even within the last 12 months of their contracts, as the new norm is to sell anyone who has 12 months or less on their current deal, and none will sign an extended deal because our salaries on offer are too low. As @Tomphil2ย says above, it won't be long before our players are leaving for Preston and Oxford because they will have overtaken us. 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 3 minutes ago, davulsukur said: Can any championship club "afford" wages, most will be in significant debt and running at a loss, surely? The club would have had very little problems in getting all 4 on a new contract if the club paid the going rate in the championship and showed some level of ambition but as we do neither, it's no wonder they all left. I'm sure everyone is looking forward to seeing how the new players get on but we all know that none will be here beyond the length of their contracts, or even within the last 12 months of their contracts, as the new norm is to sell anyone who has 12 months or less on their current deal, and none will sign an extended deal because our salaries on offer are too low. As @Tomphil2ย says above, it won't be long before our players are leaving for Preston and Oxford because they will have overtaken us. some can of PL money and some can of their commercial and sponsor money intake.ย Some owners don't want spend big on wages and some do.ย Had Rovers offered new contracts during Eustace early reign, some of them might have sign them.ย People are still fixation on these 4 players who have gone.ย 1 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 30 minutes ago, Tricky said: must be insufferable for you and the other moaners living with this sort of fear on a daily basisย ๐ Oh i don't know it's quite nice being able to see the clear picture rather than the dark illusions of having one's head perennially in the sand. 1 Quote
JHRover Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: ย Tronstad said in a Norwegian podcast last summer he wanted to return to Norway at the end of contract. Posted the link last week to a poster who posted that info Travis was never staying here when Eustace left and of course he would publicly say he wanted to stay here, in case he didn't get a move. Listen to Travis Derby country interview last week with their BBC Derby, he wanted out from here.ย ย Tronstad has said more recently in a local media interview that he was very happy at Rovers, loved being here and would like to extend his stay. So which one is accurate? With Travis you are doing exactly what the club want people to do - making out as though the club is nought but a powerless spectator in the debacle. You're contradicting yourself here - suggesting his comments about wanting to stay at Rovers weren't true and yet attaching importance to his recent comments to BBC Derby which of course are going to offer a different narrative. The club is to blame for his departure. Surely you can accept that basic principle? Quote
JHRover Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: ย People are still fixation on these 4 players who have gone.ย Yes. Because it is important and directly affects how the club performs.ย Must be nice to just want to sweep things under the carpet and pretend everything is well and gross negligent chronic mismanagement doesn't matter because 'it's in the past'. Gestede, Ismael and Pasha would just love that if everyone fell for the 'new era' spiel again and forget all about the chaos of the last 4 years that they have delivered.ย If only life was so straight forward. Unfortunately unless we finish 7th or above there should be an inquest into what has gone on here and why and serious questions asked and answers demanded. Not just a shoulder shrug 'it's in the past'ย routine. The club will never, ever get anywhere if it doesn't at least accept and recognise past failings and ensure they won't ever happen again. Under this regime it is just being set up for the same in a couple of years. 2 Quote
JHRover Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: ย ย Don't agree. Every club have wage budget and some higher wages than others but its results on the pitch that matters. Your wage bill need to in line with what you can afford Question - why, when we've sold over ยฃ50 million worth of players in 4 years (averaging out at ยฃ13 million per year, convenient that this is roughly the amount we lose each year) - are we not able to afford to pay our players as much or more than Wrexham or Derby? Please answer me that one.ย 2 Quote
roversfan99 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Yeah, I also cant understand the fixation about 4 (well, 6) key players all leaving the club because we cant sort first team contracts out. Only a minor issue. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 6 minutes ago, JHRover said: Tronstad has said more recently in a local media interview that he was very happy at Rovers, loved being here and would like to extend his stay. So which one is accurate? What interview?ย I gave you the link last week over Tronstad interview with Norwegian media last summer..plus link Gestede's interview last week.ย 6 minutes ago, JHRover said: With Travis you are doing exactly what the club want people to do - making out as though the club is nought but a powerless spectator in the debacle. You're contradicting yourself here - suggesting his comments about wanting to stay at Rovers weren't true and yet attaching importance to his recent comments to BBC Derby which of course are going to offer a different narrative. That's it blame your own club 6 minutes ago, JHRover said: The club is to blame for his departure. Surely you can accept that basic principle? depends on what we talking about?ย 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 12 minutes ago, JHRover said: Yes. Because it is important and directly affects how the club performs.ย Must be nice to just want to sweep things under the carpet and pretend everything is well and gross negligent chronic mismanagement doesn't matter because 'it's in the past'. Gestede, Ismael and Pasha would just love that if everyone fell for the 'new era' spiel again and forget all about the chaos of the last 4 years that they have delivered.ย If only life was so straight forward. Unfortunately unless we finish 7th or above there should be an inquest into what has gone on here and why and serious questions asked and answers demanded. Not just a shoulder shrug 'it's in the past'ย routine. The club will never, ever get anywhere if it doesn't at least accept and recognise past failings and ensure they won't ever happen again. Under this regime it is just being set up for the same in a couple of years. What serious questions are you asking too? Rovers management or just on BRFCS?ย 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 8 minutes ago, JHRover said: Question - why, when we've sold over ยฃ50 million worth of players in 4 years (averaging out at ยฃ13 million per year, convenient that this is roughly the amount we lose each year) - are we not able to afford to pay our players as much or more than Wrexham or Derby? Please answer me that one.ย Some of that money covered Rovers losses whilst Venkys couldn't send money over.. We spent 10m this summer. Some left over for January window.ย Yet again I don't have all the answers why dont get Josh to ask these questions at the next fans forum 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Yeah, I also cant understand the fixation about 4 (well, 6) key players all leaving the club because we cant sort first team contracts out. Only a minor issue. Let's focus on that and ignored we moved on and fixated on our players not players who gone 1 Quote
Tricky Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: Oh i don't know it's quite nice being able to see the clear picture rather than the dark illusions of having one's head perennially in the sand. ignorance is bliss tbf well i hope Saturday's win eased some of your misplaced anxiety 1 Quote
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